Rod

WOW!!!!

Perhaps this is not really a proper subject, but perhaps I need to vent a bit. After stumbling around the TR for quite a bit, I am amazed to have landed here. For all the devilish TR impact the absolute beauty and art of the imperial period is breathtaking. It amazes me the value of the imperial period both in terms of economics and satisfaction is not more widely appreciated as opposed to the 1,000 year zinc reich. I am not critizing anyone, I just need to make my less than humble observation. Many thanks to all the "gentlemen" here that I highly value!!! Rod

Christophe... Many thanks!!! Your listing of jewelers in a new thread is great!! Rod

Finally........

Hi Stogieman... I am looking at the site more and more. I was hoping someone might comment on the 925 EE mark. I realize the 925 is silver content. However, I was hoping to pin down the EE which I guess is a maker's mark. It would be nice to know if someone could identify the maker for me. Also, the "unissued" part bothers me. Were these medals made after WW1? I really would like to get a vintage pre 1918 one. Thanks so much again. Rod

Hi Stogieman.. Thanks for the information. Humm... yes, I agree that is a strange way to do business. I will keep looking but I really do like his offers. Rod

Hi David M.. YES that is one of the pics. Thanks so much. I am really looking for a real gold one and the ones offered are silver. I have been told by medalnet to be cautious about the gold ones as many are gilt bronze and very hard to distinguish from gold. I may have to be satisfied with the silver. Again thanks, Rod

Rick, I should have added they have real gold centers, original ribbon, silver arms are marked 925 EE. The "unissued" part seemed sort of strange to me. I am just window shopping at this point as I need to find out more about this Order. Prices range from $600 to $800. From what very little I know these seem to be very attractive offerings. I am not familiar with this dealer, thus my question. Rod

Must be knight 2nd as they are silver with swords.... presented as "unissued" ??? Sorry the pics are blocked so I can't provide a scan. Rod

I am very interested in obtaining a Saxe-Ernestine House Order Knight's cross. I am considering the ones listed by Saxonia Militaria located in the UK. Does anyone have experience with this collector/dealer? Emedals in Canada has two but I think they are way over priced. Thank you Rod

Weellll the PLM is out of my afford range, But the others... hummmm very interesting.... Rod

Wild Card,,, You bring up a a very interesting slant in that the "lower" orders are more heroic and less political!!! That certaintly gives me more appreciation for them. Thank you Rod

Sigh...................... well I guess I will continue to whistle in the dark. All I can say is that mine sure looks like quality and the pin arrangement in not a "barrel" but flat. Gee guys it does get discouraging. Rod

The only dealer I have found is Der Rittmeister. I would like to see other dealers for a comparison of items and prices. Seems a shame that there are no imperial dealers since from what I have seen the imperial period offers much more in terms of variety, quality and yes ... price. Rod

Actually I was looking for a site that could window shop since this is all new to me. I need to see something that well... sort of turns my crank. Rod

As a newcomer into the imperial period I am searching for a reliable dealer. Please tell me where these dealers are????? Is it simply that imperial items are sold or traded between collectors??? Lots of TR dealers around that occassionaly have an imperial item but it seems to me that these guys really don't have any expertise. Help !!!! Rod

Now I have a Leser Bavarian MVO and I don't get too excited about a Zahringer Lion..... I am BORED!!!! Hummmmm if I am really interested in a Pour Le Merite (a REAL one) where do I gooooooo ???? Rod

Hummmm I am looking and looking..... sometimes the frame and swords look gold and sometimes silver..... this gilting or gilding is a elusive area. Although the medalion is always a definite GOLD!!! I see some white powdering so I guess this is deterioration in progress. In any event I am very pleased.... a beautiful medal!!! I am wondering if Leser is the preferred maker or is there another.... Sorry to keep going on and on but I am fascinated!! Let me ask the ultimate question and I realized that price is not always a determinate. In this day what would be a reasonable price to pay for the item that I have described??? Rod

Ain't she purty???? These imperial awards are addictive!!! Rod

Hi Rick, Yep sure looks like mine .... open crown and nice solid looking gold. The lion on the reverse is a a beauty too. Hi Riley, Ok I will not clean it further!! Thanks all. Rod

I just received this in the mail. I don't have pics. I will try to take some but I am not very good at it. Please bear with me as I try to describe this item. It came in a dark red case, case. clasp and hinges are very good, black velvet inside bottom, white inside top., black ribbon retaining strap. Case gold marked Bayr. M.V.O. 4.K1. The ribbon is correct with the broad white middle followed by thinner royal blue and then black strips on each side. It is soiled (not really bad) and shows the creases from the medal's jump ring. Now the medal: gilt is still strong but I think I can see silver shean here and there. (I think gilt tends to exaporate over time.) the enamel front and back seems perfect. I can see no chips. the jump ring is marked 900 the reverse of the fitting that holds the swords to the medal is marked 950 on the left and J. L. on the right. the reverse of the swords on the right is marked J. L. 900 the L with crown on the medallion front and the lion on the back look better than gilted silver. I know practically nothing about these medals but I think I have a hold of a really nice item. I very gently used a soft tooth brush to the medal and did take off some slight dust and dirt. Should I attempt to clean anymore? I really would appreciate your comments on this. I am really tickled pink with it!!! Thanks, Rod

Kai Winkler has a Bavarian MVO 4th class for 400 euros. It has a RED case instead of the BLUE which gives me some hesitation. Otherwise it looks great!! Any comments would be appreciated. Rod

I hope I am not irritating anyone by beating a dead horse, but I just have to add this: Given that 16 Loth was 100% silver, 15 Loth would be .9375 (15/16). To round upwards to .938 would not quite be correct in terms of absolutely valuing the metal. The more conservative method would be to use .937 if it had by law to be expressed in thousands. Later the smelters evidently decided to very slightly upgrade to .938 when the 15 Loth stocks were depleted. They could have downgraded to .937. Oh well .... who knows what really happened. Sorry guys but I do tent to be overly intent with details. I feel better now!!! Rod

whewwww .... thank you medal.net I was getting a little nervous!!! So maybe when the switch was made from gold to silver gilt there was still some older 15 loth silver in stock that was used before they went to 938. In any event I am breathing easier. Rod