Rod

Very nice award, but I think the silver content should read 938.

Daniel's posting above shows 937 and mine does too.

Rod

Daniel,

Looks the same to me but it is rather hard to fully make out your pic. I think my markings are a bit better formed, but it is hard to say.

Thanks,

Rod

Hi Rick

I am confused.. Are you saying this is a vintage 1914-1918 or a WW2 item?

I sort of thought the quarter moon and crown marking would establish it as WW1.

Thanks

Rod

reverse

Well this is the best I can do.

I can't get close enough to show the markings.

obverse

I am trying to get pics. I am not very good at it.

There is also a quarter moon.

Based on this limited description can you hazard a guess to vintage?

It has a gold (gilt) finish.

Thanks,

Rod

I have a knights cross with swords for the Hohenzollern House Order.

It is stamped on the bottom of the 6 o'clock arm:

S & W .. then there is a quarter moon followed by a crown and 937.

Can someone decipher this for me and hopefully tell me the vintage?

Is there any chance this may be an issued item?

Thanks,

Rod

fascinating ...... thanks to all

Rod

I am salivating......

Rod

After obtaining the Saxon St. Henreich Knights cross and the Knights Cross with Swords to the Hohenzollern houseorder ..... what is the next item I should keep my eyes open for????

Yesss I know the PLM would be great but my pocket book is not quite that large.!!!!

Give me some ideas !!!!

Rod

It makes absolutely no sense to me that a FAKE would be made under J. WAGNER with 14 LOTIG!!!

Who is I. Wagner???

How many members have seen the J. Wagner with the 14 lotig???????????

It is a quality item!!!!

Rod

After doing some further reading and thinking.... and granted I have a vested interest.... I think the jury is still out. There are still too many unanswered questions and possibilities to draw definite conclusions.

Hang on to your "J's and lotig"" guys!!

One last question at least for now....... Do other awards bear the I. Wagner name? I am only aware of the J. Wagner.

Rod

GEEESSSHHH.... I never expected all this!!!!

Is anyone familar with the history of the Wagner firm? I. Wagner versus J. Wagner??? Perhaps a father to son progression?

I have a pic of the reverse side on my EK but hesitate to show it as it may violate some copyright. But I can say the pin is NOT a needle. It is more of a bar (if that makes any sense to you).

I have a medal bar with an 1870 EK2 blessed by Detlev "as presented" which looks exactly the same to my untrained eye as my EK1. They are fully a step up in quality from my 1914 EKs.

Am I correct in saying that prior to say 1914 it would have been illegal to sell a medal with an out moded silver mark and also to someone to whom the award was never made? Guess I am opening up another can of worms.

In any event I am still happy with my purchase.

Rod

Hi Rod

Is it this one?

Although personally this piece does not do it for me, $2800 is not over the top for a nice period 1870 EK1 that you trust.

As my friend Tony J alluded above - the price is practically irrelevant...

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Yes it looks like the one!

I know this is the real McCoy.

and I am glad I have it.

I was only wondering about the extent of a premium I may have paid.

Just a casual question.

Rod

I have hesitated time after time to ask this question, but my curiousity is too great.

A year or so ago I bought an 1870 EK1 from a dealer well know for his "insane" high prices.

Let me explain. This is the exact same cross shown at the bottom of page 113 of Steve Previtera's book The Iron Time. It is the one marked "I have seen war". I have the letter of sale from Steve (the cross is from his personal collection) to a buyer and then a letter from my dealer to confirm he subsequently bought it directly from the same person. Based on the unique wear to the cross and my conversation with Steve I have no doubt this is the same cross as shown in his book.

The silver content of the cross is marker "14 lotig" which indicates it was made prior to the change in silver marking of 800, 900, etc. that I believe occurred in 1873. The cross was advertised as "issued" which seems to make sense to me.

I don't have buyer's regret but I am curious if the $2,800 price I paid was completely out of line in terms of today's market value. My feelings will not be hurt by your comments as I am satisfied with my purchase. However, I am really curious as to possibly how much my enthusiasm cost me.

Rod

I have no idea where to place this inquiry.

Please excuse my ignorance but, I am extremely interested in knowing more about this Greek award and possibly acquiring a genuine piece.

Rod

I concur, I saw the piece and the bar and it was a gorgeous, honest example. Worth every pfenning he asked.

Guess I was just trying to stimuate some conversation.

Rod

thanks... it is a recent Detlev purchase. I understand only 261 were awarded during the Prussian/ Austrian conflict of 1866.

I am sending you a pic!!

Rod

Rats I am trying to send you a pic!!!!!

If it's real, it will be only the third I've seen and I used to collect strictly St. henry Order......... It would have been an 1866 award. Very rare, almost impossible to put a value on it.

thanks... it is a recent Detlev purchase. I understand only 261 were awarded during the Prussian/ Austrian conflict of 1866.

I am sending you a pic!!

Rod

As a new guy here.... I have a ROTHE silver henry medal........ having a hard time showing a pic.

Can someone give me an idea of value?????

Thanks,

Rod