Hoss

Gents

Are the tunics private purchase? his wool boards are sewn in the shoulder seams.

Eric

Gents

I dressed him in another outfit the pants having just a single waist button (Kraus)

Cheers

Chris that's all you buy it drain that bank account its only money........mg crate = money replaced = happy bank manager and + Eric nice friend.

Eric 

Thanks Hoss..  I'll get some photos and measurements of my drill trousers.  

 

They are pretty small and most reenactors are VERY huge (haha)... so, perhaps we can use that as one way to tell authenticity?  (I kid, I kid...).  

extra photos my pair have a label tag and ankle tape, sorry the lighting went a bit funny in some pictures.

Eric

Eric,

 

OK, yes the shirt is an issue one. I haven't looked at mine in so long I forgot how low down the placket went.

 

No Hosentäger and no socks. Not that I haven't been looking.....

 

Chip

Thanks Chip and 'placket' is a lot better than "past his nads"   I took some extra pics I hope you can help me on an ink stamp Gents?

Eric

Were these white drill trousers ever reproduced?

Absolutely re-enactment suppliers have them made,,,true originals don't sell for a great deal relatively, stamps labels dates are a plus and probably a lot were left in barracks and 'Kammers' I think is the word,

Who knows they may have even been thrown at the soldiers for extra underwear that's why I show them.

Eric

Its pullover the puppy goes way down past his nads the left front has ink stamps, some idiot dry cleaned it imo,, underneath is his undershirt I'll take pics of that too.

Chip do you have em issue braces? only pair I've ever seen were in a private museum along with a pr of socks.

Eric

Jock kit is a m1887 pattern,

Chip the shirt is 1913 dated I'll take more pictures the braces are private purchase from an old soldiers personal items pre W1 from the odds and ends he had I think he was a official not combat he'd be too old.

Chip re: shirts what is normal? over here everyone started copying a shirt belonging to B.Combs.

Eric

Shirt and m1910 twill trousers.

Eric

Karel its Collins Foundation?

ok I'll try next week I don't have an 'in' at IWM anymore haven't had for donkeys years,

Thanks

Eric

Hello Chip

I don't favour ones marked 'Germany' bulk afterwar reparation knives, others may like them to me it matters, some buff it off.

Eric

Karel

Of course me too when I saw them in person I thought 'weird' lol! the helmet especially its like a half way house 'square dip'. I'm completely open on authenticity from anyone I could send the rig to you if you want?

Can you at some point measure thickness and weight of yours be interesting as a manufacturing study,,,,I have one of those small post office scales they are very good and don't cost much.

Eric

Karel

I thought it would be difficult, the paint is obviously just something to stop rust or whatever.

Both the helm and plate are not material used on copies or replicas other I may try and get in touch where it came from and ask how long they have had them. at some point will do some further tests or sell as 'unknown' btw they carry a full guarantee and have been passed as "strange but definitely not copies". They are not marked as far as I can tell and wouldn't believe meant for field use, so either:

Period display, pattern

Fake 

Thanks for the comments these photographs are courtesy of IWM. Its become apparent to me early ones are roughly 5mm +. Shortly before joining forums '09 I had a 'thinner' relic from a dugout a chum suggested 'cast' so I went outside and threw it against a concrete wall to silence the blighter. lol! the hanging from a coat hanger test I've found unreliable unless you know the "Ping".

I tried to explain on waf a good test,,,, but it reads back as if I'm on a magic mushroom trip.

Eric

Adler

All I have for provenance is Collins Foundation. The helmet has never had a liner, the left rivet hole has been drilled oversize and the left vent lug is lower ( like seen on some ET helms) no makings. weight: 1087gms.

The plate is 1552gms and doesn't really fit a size 68 shell (I've been studying that one of the important parts of vent size washers was to have a space between the amour plate and the shell for better ballistics)

Both came together,, forget the paint.... you could have taken pics from Walhalla, I don't mind.

Eric

Bring this interesting topic back up I found a link to this lady:

http://www.cla.purdue.edu/waaw/palmquist/Photographers/FleischmannEssay.htm

Eric

Soldier on the left seems to have something too but the other has a definite pattern.

btw Thomas I've seen 1918 photographs with the front visor cut off m16 stahlhelme (not the visorless m18) you talk about in your blog, for example have you ever tried operating a 08/15 from a prone position wearing a standard helmet?

Troops wearing their wool caps underneath and what angle he is wearing when stood up come into play,you only really tell in profile of course, the wearing backwards in trenches by ie: mg personal I first noticed 1967 when I was studying Battle of the Somme for a school project.

Eric

Gents

A friend sent me these images you can download them beautifully photographed. note the generic pic on one guns plaque. I've noticed that photo was published in an old book since its been well used around the block and back. the gun with the large incredible painting behind it I think is on display at Verdun.

Cheers

Eric

Gents

Does anyone have a clearer image of this photograph the soldier on the right appears to have a painted cover on his helmet or some specific art around the left vent?

Cheers

Eric

Thats a nice photo love the mood of the soldier reflected in his face, I can never help on patches like this its way beyond me thanks for showing.

Eric

Karel

Its on Walhalla the helm and plate came together think I got no comments which doesn't surprise me. I've checked the steel its part of what I do professionally. I'll take more pictures this weekend, strange puppy. Visually the plate looks like one shown at IWM taken Battle of The Somme it would appear early ones are thinner later they maybe lowered passing standards, made them thicker, for that I'd have to drill it and take a sample.

Eric

Jock

I think the record at re-enactments wearing a copy is 10 minutes or 50 yards,,,,a medic neck brace on standby lol! wearing trying to run they fall off even the whole helmet. they are some pics out showing them being pierced I think.

Eric

Nice

Does the thickness and weight vary on those examples, would be interesting to know not many get to examine four at once!!. The one I have now is a model. prototype, un-issued display whatever and been checked out not just by me.

I've had several over the years originals seem to vary in quality imo I've even Rockwell tested the blighters.

Eric

Tough Chris

Sooooo I guess you'll be selling that mg crate to make up for it. 

Eric

Tony

I believe your knife is original TR period a question is the steel forging all one piece? 

Eric

Not W1 you have to be careful with this style they are more copies than originals out there, no maker marks forget it my motto.

Eric