Hoss

Chris found it yes there was ie: the Leibgarde (black band & piping) quite a few others actually.you have a picture?

Eric

Depends on the period, I think Andy is showing an early plate, I see no specific difference in the plates I have on file kindly sent to me by Chip.

Eric

You're probably right Chip the image is from a foreign site with ref: Battle of Tannenberg. There looks to be a ghost of a star insig, and the buttons? the poor devil looks to be starving, I don't know much about them other than what's on the net (old folklore and all that). The company that would supply one's like Chris posts would probably sell them to anyone or any country imo. the garment trade.

Eric

Think it's a Budenovka, so I would have thought they'd be around W1. the 'visor' is part of it Chip.

Eric

I've only seen the winter hood and various head warmers under a helmet or cap. Here's a Russian prisoner (Tannenberg) 

Eric

How do you draw that camo conclusion? DB helmet is painted in a more common style the pigments varied especially ochre. Karel's displays a further period colored panel. Well, they don't match to me whatever above everything is this red stripe, Karel, you may have to live with the fact 'unknown'. Is there a chance we could see a macro of the red band area and a close up of the DB rim markings?

Eric

Karel you'll note a digital copy on the 124th in the Württemberg State Library 1921 on the page you post, I have a download copy in my files. Also Péronne was occupied by the 5th Australian Division by the 3rd September as part of the second battle of Bapaume or Second Battle of the Somme. It appears to me the German division ended up in reserve north of Verdun? As an interesting side note another interesting download 'freebie' is Battle and Engagements of the British Armies in France and Flanders 1914-18 1924..

Sorry none helps in your 'red band' quest, of note you may have to consider from when they were painted a second time. imo.and be dispassionate re the soldier name, just a thought.

Eric

Andy you maybe onto something re maneuver/training etc here's a US range ordnance officers helmet, wrong army but food for thought.

Eric

Hello

I know about all that and appreciate what you say but basically the 'field' camouflage tends to be of course less neat and precise, thicker and very often mixed with dirt. Following a theme case in point the pictures you show. But I don't see that in these two helms from the photos I see a standard camo 'type' but none of this is helping to explain the red stripes, sorry. Thoughts: red is pretty much useless in the dark and Germans tended to rec. mark the rear or side of a helmet if at all imo. Further I don't follow the oft quoted '18 Ludendorff directive 'picked' and plonked in books it's too literal for me.

Karel maybe one day you'll have a eureka moment  the joy of a hobby!

Eric

Karel with all due respect the 'by the same hand' is old wives bunkum so is a collectors ideal of an individual soldier painting his own helmet. This nonsense has been spread for decades by TR collectors who like to jack up stories and make their pieces 'one offs'. WW1 camouflaging was carried out by work groups.

No, what we have here are two or more helmets repainted in repair workshops imo the red 'line' was applied later for whatever reason yet to be determined. This red paint may have been applied by one, two or few individuals, granted but not the camouflage.

Regards

Very sharp Chip, yes I know the seller showed a picture of the marker mark off another helm I'm not born yesterday,its the first thing I noticed but it's there chum. He probably found it hard to photograph, like me. Mark's photography is worse than mine lol!

Eric

uumm what was on top of the pole its obviously for it, a lamp?

Eric

Great I'd probably get knifed by a couple of squatters, it's just a mostly empty admin. corner the rest is gone I think. Interesting company check out the families and their association with the inventor Heinrich Beck. One thing leads to another, it's interesting.

Cheers

Its an air raid siren, very nice.

Eric

K&M  Röchling- Stahlwerke in Völklingen lot 200. also note the forward location of the vents on this size 68 helmet for placement of a stirnpanzer if needed. The camouflage grün,ockergelb and rostbraun is leinöl gemischt tarnpasten. total weight of this scarce helmet is 1316 gms.

I've never had a K&M before I hope you gents like it and pictures of the electrical engineering facilities.

Eric

High probability, I'm surmising they were both repainted very late in the war (Karel's helmet doesn't look to have been worn much from the liner condition imo) I wonder if db's lid has the ghost of a leather liner band? anyway nice helmets.

Thanks Karel C1 of course 64 lol!

Thanks for the link KIR and Karel for pics of the other helm. Any more on 'the vet' other its worthless info we know even from the pics it's period camo. I asked a gent I trust he's seen W1 painted stripes on US range officer helmets,for firing range grenades etc, maybe a clue.

Eric

Why not Chris just because the helmet maker is German doesn't rule out use by Austrians late '16 well into '17 is just one example. Also I think it's a mistake to nail down a helm over an id'd rear rim. It only means at some point a soldier marked it imo.I've had plenty of the blighters but to my recollection never claimed it 'belonged' to the soldier.

Eric

What's the C 1 under Rogg? Germans used a red lacquer the stripe looks to have been masked then painted to me. Personally I wouldn't rule out another Army ie: Austria just because of a pencilled name and I'll be amazed if its a 'wound stripe' myself, why? nice camo.

Eric

Depends on paint type there is/was a gent on Walhalla who knew someone who uses natural products his work is very good but don't have the details you may have to join and ask. I think its expensive you may have to balance the cost if you dont do it yourself. The only time I've tried something like this was to remove some household white paint where the helmet must have been left out when a room was painted, frankly I couldn't remove it had been on the helmet too long.

Eric

Karel

Your collection of haubes is wonderful as I said before on waf they deserve a pinned thread. Its not only the pieces your photography is superb.

Eric

LOL! thank you, I really didn't know. What about the corpse thing with half the tag?

Eric

wow those mannequins look ace!

Eric

Thanks Chip does it mean he had something to do with Zeppelins at one point? I don't really know how to read them properly, and once I was told half the tag would be put in a dead soldiers mouth is there any validity in that statement?

Eric

My only remaining tags.

Eric