Hoss

Commercially Les early 1890's check Singer and they are ways to 'cheat' zig-zag you should have seen me Gran 'God Bless' working her old Singer. This goes back to some collectors who put forth numbers on haube covers weren't stitched so, which is incorrect. True sometime in the '50's you could buy update kits,, they still turn up on the ebays.

Eric

Hello dante 

I'll take more pictures of what I have It helps if we dismiss what the article is and just research material. For example on Ersatzgewebe I found a wood mill that supplied tree bark to a paper mill, the 'pulp' was used by an underwear maker that produced a cover for one of my canteens, was that all they made from the material? I doubt it. The facilities were connected by a narrow gauge rail line, its still there, in parts and at least one of the buildings.

Eric

Thanks Paul agree and someone screwed up on the paint which is not TR period.

Eric

Drawing of MG bunker I've seen for example the rear of one in photos with the steps and platform but never if it was 'unearthed'.

Eric

courtesy of The Devils Paintbrush D.Goldsmith.

Did you read the link mattress makers,, if it was mean't to be an over garment it wouldn't have tape closing it imo, w2 they did away with the sleeves furthermore I doubt it can be worn over a tunic then greatcoat because of the arms, very nice rare item but I don't see it as a weather over coat.

Eric

​

Nah in somers it says underneath no wonder they lost. Dante next time you winter camp turn ya sleeping bag inside out lol! anyway the sleeves are like that so it goes inside the mantel.

Eric

I'll have a look any other pictures? I don't see it doing much good over clothing. W2 they had the same thing but it fastened inside a huge wool 'surcoat'? on the Eastern Front. Maybe the officer has just finished breakfast do people get dressed first nowadays? lol!

Eric

Very nice but I think it was mean't to be worn under a mantel not over it.

Eric

My cover together with its helmet I carefully pulled it over the rim for a picture but it just sat on the helmet held by the vents.

Eric

Hello

I've not seen that bottle before, strange one the body suggests German but the neck and stopper doesn't it maybe commercial but I'm guessing. I've found all military Imperial German bottles are marked even if they are not dated.

Eric

Original showing its natural 'bent' and how they were stored or packed. 

Cheers

Andy Chip

How's one spelling better than the other they both have a funky above a letter, call it 'Pork Pie' and have done with it.  A mate of mine has a copy made from an old rat greatcoat, I''l try and get photos of some copies at a gig coming up here's my 30yr old copy note the fake stamp and the incorrect stitched down lining. A note on Kokarde (Abzeichen) if it has white and fails UV,, its fake.

Eric

Chip

Could it be Officer of Bayer Bekleidungs-Amter, I'm going off plates my knowledge isn't great.

Eric

Chip when I see that bottom edge gap you mention it turns me off, btw are you in this picture with other school chums? 

Eric

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2015_03/00075101_(2).jpg.6d76889e7a7370bf75808958f882d1a0.jpg

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2015_03/00075101_(2).jpg.6d76889e7a7370bf75808958f882d1a0.jpg

Blimey sorry about the image size, this is better.

Eric

Hello Les 

Are you referring to the Austrian pge 42 example in Baer? the one opposite pictured above the mg crew photo is a copy.

Dante here is one example of original cloth used on 1917 issued examples, you may recall a recent canteen discovery, covers were for the glass bottle,,,,same material although it doesn't show too well because of age and resin its feldgrau.

Eric

'Field made' W1 German examples are an insurmountable problem ones found today with clips are scarce puppies. In 1917 front soldiers started to be issued with dyed feldgauem I think is the word with interior cloth vent patches material included wasserdichten Papierstoff they rarely if ever had clips the draw string being paper yarn or common cotton weaved tape. When I started my interest experts informed me Austrian never had grommets and German did !!! Regarding book references the winter example shown in Kraus and Haselgrove's book show nice examples although the one pictured bottom pge 104 is Austrian imo.

Eric

With Russia: the gun used huge amounts of brass in its design.

That's a famous gun in one guise or another its service history spans over a 70yrs, the angle crank is probably a Gruson mod the two soldiers are probably deaf lol!

Eric

​Gents I finally found out what my drag straps are from a German chum,, nice picture Chris.

Eric

Peter I went the whole hog and bought a gallon can lol! blimey it'll probably last me a 100yrs! I bought it on-line actually the outlet for me is right here in Carolina. I just wanted one oil for everything instead of all these nasty chemicals.

Eric

I have some I'm comfortable with but what do I know I've only been gawking at them for 30yrs. You gents should see ones made and worn by re-enactors they are frightening. Contrary to what people may think these guys are always working on their kit. The '5' means nothing to me we have a 5th. Sturm-Pionier-Bataillon "Rohr" (founded 1979) lol.!

Its been too long my friend gone are the collecting days when you may find one literally stuck to a helmet. Often they'd just put the lid in a sack and stuff the surplus up inside the helmet...etc. It may sound 'silly' but did you smell it? it helps if you try and determine the age and b. if the material is period AND it may not even be German material don't forget.. You have to take into account sewing shops, cottage industry groups as well as field made, and go beyond what is considered 'regulation'. Everyone wants the winter job shown in Kraus's book,,I've seen one it sold for roughly $700+ over 25yrs ago. 

Generally German Korps stamps are a bad sign and ones overly tailored, forget a certain clip normally used on issued pickelhaube covers, they used anything.

Dante I agree, contentious items for sure.

Eric

Hello Dante as a purchase not for me,sorry everything is wrong and I love them. The problem is everyone on forums has in their minds eye what an original should be, may I suggest you UV test, further they were never ever stitched using synthetics.

When I first looked I thought of Indian (the Country) Jute, last the stamp,,, no way.

regards

Eric

ps I can guess the one on waf is fake also. They are only two people I respect on these (as colleagues) Patrick O. and Chip.