ErikMuller

I have seen medals to British missionaries. I suspect the rules would have been the same for foreigners? (In that era.) These would have been silver, as there was pretty much a "racial" divide.

The rolls are on microfilm (and in paper) in the National Archives (Public Record Office) in Kew, just outside London.

Let me know if yoiu need scans (but with which clasps?).

Thanks Ed!

If I understood the article correctly it had the Uganda 1897-98 clasp on it.

I will try to go to Kew in February, so hopefully I will be succesfull in finding the names in de microfilm rolls.

Cheers,

Erik

Hello,

I need some help with the following. Last week I found a newspaper clipping dated November 27th, 1901. It was from a Dutch newspaper called "De Gelderlander". The article states that four Dutch missionaries were awarded the silver East and Central Africa Medal with "Uganda 1897-98" clasp for services during the Uganda Campaign against King Mwanga in 1897-1898.

Their names were:

Referend Father Van den Bergh

Referend Father Biermans

Referend Father Buysrogge

Referend Father Van Term

The article also mentions a Referend Father Kestens, who was decorated earlier for his services as Chaplain. It's not clear to me if he received the same medal or another award.

Now I've got a couple of questions:

1. Is it correct that missionaries received the silver medal? I hardly see them fighting in the front line and I've always understood that non-combattants received the bronze medal.

2. Are there medal rolls for the East and Central Africa Medal to confirm these awards?

3. Does anyone has a good resolution image of the obverse and reverse of the medal for publication in the Dutch Orders and Medals Society Journal?

Thanks!

With kind regards,

Erik M?ller

Hello Peter,

Yes, that's it ... one wonders what he did (or where he was) between May 1940 and ca. 1945.

Cheers,

Hendrik

Maybe:

1. he took part in the actions in May 1940 (Oorlogsherinneringskruis)

2. he was involved in the resistance and liberation 1944-1945 (Mobilisatie-Oorlogskruis)

3. went to Indonesia because

a. he still wasn't tired of fighting

b. he couldn't get out of military service

-> (Ereteken voor Orde en Vrede)

Gr.,

Erik

Prince Bernhard's awards are there. His Militaire Willemsorde 2nd class is quite something! Prince Claus and Queen Wilhelmina's are also there, but I'm not sure about Queen Juliana. I don't recall, although I would expect so.

Well worth seeing!

Only part of their decorations are in the museum. The rest is at the Royal House Archive in The Hague.

The collection of the Chancellary Museum has over 20.000 pieces. It?s one of the largest collections on the European mainland.

And although I love seeing pictures, as a committee member of one of the Societies connected to the Chancellary Museum I do have to ask not to post any more pictures of the collection please. The Museum?s policy on taking pictures is quite clear: none are to be taken and none are to be published without permission!

The first medal is most likely Police related, Erik Muller might be able to help. The second medal is the "Eremedaille in de Orde van Oranje Nassau" The classe could be Bronze, Silver or Gold. I think this is a Silver one..

The first medal is the Medal for Faithful Service in the County Constabulary (Medaille voor trouwe dienst bij het Korps Rijksveldwacht), which was awarded for 25 years service.

His rank was Brigadier Majoor (Senior Sergeant).

Stern?? thats my "Happy Face" maybe it was because the sun was in my eyes Kevin in Deva.

I don't know if he was an MP, I will ask him next time I see him. He joined the police force in 1980, just in time for the inauguration of Queen Beatrix

Hallo Erik, the 50 yr UN is a Buyitnow as well via a Danish U.N. vets association

Kevin in Deva

I know, a colleague of mine is also wearing it in his group. His official medals include:

Netherlands Commemorative Medal UN Peacekeeping Operations with clasp 'Libanon 1979'

Police Long and Faithful Service Medal with clasp 'XXV'

Inauguration Medal 1980

Wedding Medal 2002

UNIFIL Medal

And then he wears no less than 4 unofficial UN veteran medals.

Oh well at least it makes me less shamefull that I wear the Luxembourg Diekirch March Medal in my group At least I did walk 2x 40 km for that

His own medals are nothing to be ashamed off, to bad that he completed his rack with al this rubbish.

1. Knight or Member in the Order of Orange-Nassau

2. New Guinea Commemorative Cross with clasp '1962'

3. Silver Long Service Medal

4. Navy Medal

5. Marching Cross

6. Proficiency Medal of the Netherlands Sporting Federation

7. Military Penthatlon Cross of the NSF

8. ?

9. ?

10. CEAC Cross

11. UN 50 years Commemorative Medal

2nd row and Commander's Cross are all unofficial rubbish, as are 8 and 9 presumably.

A picture of a bar with the two commemorative medals must be welcome, I suppose??

Kind regards,

Jacky

the source of this picture is looking for a MWO to complete his bar.

There is also a gold merit cross of the House order.

Does you source also have a name with this beauty??

Mike, you're right what he says about the points...that makes little sense otherwise. The Dannebrog is an amazing order...way older and much more prestigious than this Dutch one! My friend has a Dannebrog 2nd class...fantastic order! It deserves to still be issued in solid gold!

The Dannebrog is also awarded in silvergilt when awarded to foreigners. I've got two knight 1st class crosses, one awarded to a Norwegian Colonel and one to a Dutch ambassy employe. Both are silvergilt.

Thanks for the comments, I also think that he served to short for any other medals/decorations.

Here's Beekes in the back (left person) (during a visit to Valkenberg in 1923 )

Does anyone know when he got the medal from Luxembourg? Was there a state visit in those years? I have no documents about this medal. Erik, do you know where I could find the KB about this?

Unfortunately I have no clue. Maybe he didn't ask permission to accept and wear the decoration?

Magnificent items Matthijs, congratulation

Out of curiosity: Whenever I encounter this order for sale at various dealers the badge is mostly (always?) in silvergilt, and judging from these pictures yours seem to be silvergilt as well.

Was the badge ever awarded in real gold? And if yes, do you know when it changed?

/Mike

Never noticed that! Just looked at my pieces. My commander's grade was awarded in 1934 and it's also silvergilded. (sorry no pics, my scanner is already boxed, awaiting moving :-)

But I'm wondering about why he didn't get any houseorder medal....

Nowadays, since 1969, the order of loyalty and merit/service is awarded in two grades for 25 and 40 years of service.

But then, they must have had something else to get from the royal house....

perhaps, Eric could learn us more about now and then within the house-order.........???

Kind regards,

Jacky

1926-1938 is only twelve years. I still haven't found out more about Beekes, but if he served less than 25 years he couldn't even qualify for a bronze medal of honour in the Family Order of Orange. For a lackey he would have gotten the silver cross of merit (now the order of loyalty and merit in silver) at 25 years of service, the bronze medal of honour if he had quit before 40 years of service. At 40 years of service he would have received the gold cross of merit and leaving after 40 years would have gotten him either the bronze of silver medal of merit. Let's not forget: he was only the lackey of the Queen-Mother (who died 1934) and later on he was just a mere foot lackey with the royal household.

Thanks!

Always love the 'side rubble' :-)

Wrong colours for the TOE I believe ... I'm more inclined to think it's a French Croix de Guerre (WW2) fourrag?re.

Cheers,

Hendrik

That would be my guess to!

Oh A dutch red cross medal, well it looks almost the same as the belgian medal.

And I know only the belgian medal, which are still awarded now, if I'm correct.

But thanks for correcting me.

No problemo :-)

Herr General, can you please post a larger scan of the obverse and reverse of the table medal?

I even see a belgian blooddonation medal!

Errrr... that's the Netherlands Red Cross Blood Donor Medal. It was awarded from 1971 to 1977. Because of that I don't think it belongs to this group.

Ch.,

Erik

Ahem, Erik, ... this is not an inexpensive medal !

Taken from a 2002 sales catalogue : 183.00 Euros Probably can be found for a lesser amount but it gives one an idea of what to expect !

Cheers,

Hendrik

Didn't got a mail that someone replied, hence the late reply: OK, than that's probably the reason why it's still missing from my collection

This is all quite interesting.

There seem to be 2 sorts of 'shoulder ornaments' going around, those which are used to denote a unit distinction of some kind and those which are regimental in nature.

In the British Army, some regiments have one as a regimental distinction. It's just part of the uniform - for example, sergeants and above in the Cheshire Regiment wore a dull red one on the left shoulder. This was a single loop right around the arm with a little noose, the loose end being attached to the button on the left breast pocket... a bit of a problem for me as in those days the female No.2 Dress tunic didn't have breast pockets! Just to confuse things, as an internal and more unofficial thing, Cheshire soldiers who had passed the Regular Radio User course wore a white lanyard on the right shoulder, a bit more fancy, braided thing.

Unit distinctions come as Battle Honours (borne on the Colours & the Drums) or very rarely as specific badges, but it is rare for a medal to be awarded to a unit rather than an individual - a George Cross to the Royal Irish Regiment is the only one which comes to mind right now.

I cannot recall any UK regiment wearing a foreign... er, I think there's an Orange Lanyard knocking around in the ancestry of what was the Queen's Regiment but I do not think it is still worn by the current regiment. And a couple of US Presidential Unit Citations, which are worn as a sleeve badge rather than in US fashion over the right breast pocket.

Megan,

When I was in Albania in 1997 there was a British unit which wore the blue UN lanyard as a permanent part of their uniform, I just tried to finds pictures, but I don't have anything that shows a unit badge (they all were bare-headed, so no barets either).

I have no files of an Orange Lanyard awarded to British units!!! Do you by any chance have more info on this subject?

Gr.,

Erik

M?daille de la Gendarmerie Nationale:

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Nice one! I'm still missing that one in my French police collection! (*hint to any of my fellow-SKF-members, who are going to Paris in a couple of weeks *)

For sale on http://www.germanmilitaria.com/OtherNation...os/C035056.html is this very overpriced uniform. Can we ID this man?

The Military Order of William (Knight 4th grade )

Order of the Dutch Lion (Knight)

War Commemorative Cross 1940-45 with two clasps

Cross for Order and Piece with two clasps

Officers Long Service Decoration

Mobilization Cross 1914-18

Hmmm... looks genuine:

The War Commemorative Cross ribbon is the dark orange ribbon by Spinks, and the stars on the Decoration for Order and Peace are the original 7-pointed ones.

But... I'm missing the enamel shields post-WW2 KNIL uniforms had on their upper arm sleeves!

Then back to whom this uniform might have belonged to... My guess first guess was Reserve-Major-General Pieter Scholten, but he held the following medals:

Knight 4th class of the Military Order of William (MWO.4)

Knight of the Order of the Netherlands' Lion (NL.3)

Officer of the Order of Orange Nassau with swords (ON.4x) (appointed Knight in 1934)

War Commemorative Cross with one clasp (OHK.1)

Decoration for Order and Peace with 4 clasps (1946, 1947, 1948 and 1949) (OV.4)

Officer's Long Service Decoration with numberal 'XXV' (XXV)

Marching Cross (KLO)

Mobilisation Commemorative Cross 1914-1918 (Mk)

Since this uniform is missing both the Order of Orange-Nassau and the Marching Cross ribbon, it can't be him (although a friend of mine also dropped out his 'sport' medals as the Marching Cross and NSF Proficiency Medal from his ribbon and medal bars).

Then looking at the lists for generals of the KNIL dating 1947-1949 I can't find ANY major-general with the MWO.4 and the NL.3 besides P. Scholten. So I'm tending to think towards the fact that the ribbon bars do not belong on this uniform.

As for their youngest brother Duke Heinrich von Mecklenburg-Schwerin, our Herr General probably can find out more easily, as he married Wilhelmina van Oranje-Nassau and became H.R.H. Prince Hendrik of the Netherlands in 1901.

Prince Heinrich had the following awards (list probably not complete, since his bar has a lot of - to me - unknown medals):

Dutch:

1. Grand Cross in the Order of the Netherlands (17 October 1900)

2. Grand Cross in the Order of Orange-Nassau (18 April 1907)

3. Grand Cross in the Family Order of Orange

4. Knight (Grand Cross) in the Order of the Golden Lion of Nassau

5. Flood Medal 1926 in silver (16 July 1927)

6. Medal of the Red Cross (11 March 1911) with brillants (16 December 1933)

7. De Ruyter Medaille in gold (1907)

8. Officer's Long Service Cross with numberal ?XXXV?

9. Wedding Medal 1902

10. Silver Wedding Medal 1926

11. Knight of Justice of the Commandery Netherlands of the Order of Saint John (30 April 1909)

12. Honorary Bailiff Grand Cross of the Netherlands Chapter of the Sovereign Order of Malta (4 May 1911)

13. Cross of Merit of the Netherlands Red Cross

14. Medal for Long Service in the Netherlands Red Cross (June 1927)

15. Mobilisation Commemorative Cross 1914-1918

Non-Dutch:

16. Grand Cross with Chain and Bronze Crown of the Order of the Wendisch Crown (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

17. Grand Cross in the Order of the Griffon (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

18. Grand Cross in the Order of Fidelity (Baden)

19. Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Hubert (Bavaria)

20. Grand Cross of the Order of Henry the Lion (Brunswick)

21. Grand Cross of the Order of Ludwig (Hessen)

22. Cross of Honour 1st class (F?rstentum Lippe-Detmold and Lippe-Schaumburg)

23. Grand Cross with Crown and Chain of the Order of Merit of Duke Peter Freidrich Ludwig (Oldenburg)

24. Knight in the Order of the Black Eagle (Prussia)

25. 1st class of the Order of the Red Eagle (Prussia)

26. Royal Cross of Honour (Reuss)

27. Grand Cross in the Order of the Diamont Crown (Sachsen)

28. Grand Cross in the Order of Vigilance or the White Falcon (Sachsen)

29. Grand Cross of the Ernestine House Order (Sachsen)

30. Grand Cross of the Order of the Crown (W?rttemberg)

31. Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold (Belgium)

32. Honorary Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath (Great Britain)

33. Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Alexander (Bulgaria)

34. Grand Cross of the Order of Honour and Merit (Cuba) (1928)

35. Knight in the Order of the Elephant (Denmark)

36. Knight in the Order of the Golden Fleece (Spain) (1924)

37. Grand Cross of the Legion of Honour (France)

38. Grand Cross of the Order of the Redeemer (Greece)

39. Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Stephan (Hungary)

40. Grand Cordon of the Order of Chrysanthemum (Japan)

41. Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Olav (Norway)

42. Grand Cross of the Order of the Tower and the Sword (Portugal)

43. Grand Cross of the Order of the Star (Rumania)

44. Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Andreas (Russia)

45. Grand Cross of the Order of the White Elephant (Siam)

46. Knight 1st class of the Order of Maha-Chakkri (Siam)

47. Knight in the Order of the Seraphim (Sweden)

48. 1st class with brilliants in the Order of Timsah-Homayoeni (portrait of the Shah) (unknown country)

49. 1st class of the Osmanieh Order (Turkey)

50. Commander in the House Order (Waldeck)

51. Lifesaving Medal (Prussia)

52. Lifesaving Medal (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

53. King Albert Medal (Belgium) (1923)

54. Gold Medal of the Royal Humane Society (Great Britain)

55. Decoration 1st class of the Estonian Red Cross (Estonia) (7 februari 1929)

56. Honorary Commander of the Portugese Red Cross Order (Portugal) (3 februari 1925)

57. Gold Medal of the British Red Cross Society (Great Britain) (1921)

58. Decoration 1st class of the German Red Cross (1924)

59. Grand Cross of the French Red Cross (23 mei 1925)

60. Decoration of the Hellenic Red Cross Society (Greece) (1929)

61. Gold Medal of the Italian Red Cross (Italy) (1928)

62. Gold Order of Merit of the Japanese Red Cross Society (Japan)

63. Star of Merit of the Austrian Red Cross Society (Austria)

64. Cross of Merit of the Serbian Red Cross Society (Serbia)

65. Decoration of the Spanish Red Cross (Spain)

66. Medal for Public Education (Venesuela)

67. Commemorative Medal of Friedrich Franz III (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

Thank you for the translation of the abbreviations.

Is there any picture of the unknown bar??

How do you know about this bar, by the way?

The medalbar is shown in the book "Het Vliegerkruis" (page 121). As a rule I don't post pictures from recently (last 30 years) published books, and certainly not out of books of friends, of whom I know don't like their copywrights to be infringed.

His very, very nice medalbar is featured in Henny Meijers book about the Flying Cross. I don't think I can place a scan here without breaking the copyright? but then again I think that most of the dutch members have this book! ( page 121 )

Erik, Do you know where Henny found al the medalbars in his book? Or are they all from his own collection

Henny only has one bar and that hasn't got a name (yet!).

A small collection of the shown bars is from the Rob Vis collection. Because Rob is a well known aviation expert he knowns a lot of people, who know a lot of people, who know people with Flying Crosses, that's how most of the medal bars were found

And knowing a couple of medal collecting photographers finished the gathering of pictures for the Flying Cross book

His decorations are listed as;

Knight Netherlands Lion

Officer Orange Nassau with swords

Flying Cross, with numeral 2

War commemorative cross with 3 clasps

Order & Peace, with 2 yearclasps

Officer Long service cross with numeral 15

Marriage-medal 1966

PA2???

BK 4p???

Belgian War Cross with Palm

MNSD???

PA.2 = Grand Officer of the Military Order of Aviz (Portugal)

BK.4p = should be KB.4p = Officer of the Order of the Crown with palm (Belgium)

MNSD = Medalha Naval de Servi?os Distintos (Brasil)

His War Commemorative Cross had the clasps 'Oorlogsvluchten 1940-1945' (War Flights 1940-1945), 'Oost-Azi? - Zuid-Pacific 1942-1945' (East Asia - South Pacifif 1942-1945) and 'Javazee 1941-1942' (Java Sea 1941-1942).

His Star for Order and Peace had the clasps '1948' and '1949'.