ErikMuller

Thanks Graham! I never got a notification of your reply, hence my own late reply!

LOL, usually people are happy to receive the award and have to wait a long time for the certicate. You can buy the badge in most army stores. Or you can look at the Dutch eBay clone: http://www.marktplaats.nl/z.html?query=MLV

Looks like something is pinned to the front of the ribbon. Any change of a picture of that side?

Goudsmit also supplied the Order of Malta. Looks like this is a case for a Dutch-made Maltese Cross of Merit.

It's the box that makes this one rare. I would guess on auction it could reach 1200 - 1500 euro's.

The British medal is the Sea Gallantry Medal (Foreign Services), which was awarded to Van Iersel for his actions while serving on the Danish merchant vessel s.s. Oluf Maersk:

On 2 February 1917, the schooner Little Secret, of Fowey, was in a sinking condition in the North Atlantic Ocean. In response to signals of distress the Oluf Maersk, approached the vessel and launched her lifeboat under the command of Mr. Godtfredsen and manned by the seamen named. After considerable difficulty the Little Secret was reached and her crew of five hands were takenon board the Oluf Maersk and convoyed to New York. Very considerable risk was incurred in rendering the services, on account of the heavy seas which prevailed at the time.

The seamen mentioned:

Mads GODTFREDSEN, Second Mate

Christian Bernhard NIELSEN, seaman

Niels Peter SIMONSEN, seaman

Luderus Matheus van Jersel, seaman

Source: The Sea Gallantry Medal by R.J. Scarlett (OMRS, 2010).

As can seen, the name of Van Iersel is misspelled in this book. I came across his decoration in a Dutch newspaper article from 25 June, 1925, which stated that Van Iersel, before joining the U.S. Army sailed in the merchant navy. During that period he saved the life of five persons and got awarded both British and U.S. Lifesaving Medals. So appearantly one of the unknown medals yet to be determined is a U.S. Lifesaving medal.

The article also mentioned that Van Iersel received, beside these medals and the Congressional Medal of Honor 14 medals and 8 honorable mentions, amongst which: the Distinguished Service Cross, the French Military Medal, 2 Croix-de-Guerres with palmes and stars.

Thanks Roel,

Completely forgot about this thread, but I had read the thread on the Onderscheidingenforum already!

Cheers,

Erik

One thing is for sure: he's wearing a Military Pentathlon Cross, but isn't listed at http://www.militairevijfkamp.nl/ as a recipient or participant (and the list is complete since it started in 1916!)

Do you have any photos of the Greek awards to the Dutch ambulances?

Do you mean of the awards themselves or members of the ambulance wearing Greek medals?

I know some KMar-personnel received either the CIB or the CAB in Iraq. I also know one KMar-Sergeant who received the U.S.M.C. Combat Action Ribbon.

In 2007 a whole Dutch Para Company got awarded the US CIB again service in South Afghanistan. They were the first Dutch soldiers since Korea.

Herman

Not quite correct Herman. In the Bosnian conflict some CIB's were awarded to Dutch NATO-troops which went on patrol with US Recon Units. They were, however, not allowed to wear the badge by the Dutch Ministry of Defence since we (the Dutch) were in involved in a peacekeeping mission and not in 'Combat'.

Dear James,

There were at least four semi-official medals which were issued to the Amsterdam Police (and which were allowed to be worn on their uniform).

These were the Commemorative Crosses 1898, 1923, 1938 and 1948.

Commemorative Cross 1923 Amsterdam Police

Commemorative Cross 1938 Amsterdam Police

Commemorative Cross 1948 Amsterdam Police

Commemorative Cross 1898 Amsterdam Police

With kind regards,

Erik Muller

Does anyone know if there are medal rolls for the Deutsches Olympia-Ehrenzeichen and -Medal?

I'm looking for the Dutch recipients.

So far I've found:

1. klasse

G. van ROSSEM, secretary of the Netherlands Olympic Committee, advisor to the Organisation Committee of the 1936 Olympics, Reserve-Major for Special Duties of the General Staff of the Royal Netherlands Army

Pieter Wilhelmus SCHARROO, vice-president of the Netherlands Olympic Committee, member of the International Olympic Committee, Colonel of Engineers, Royal Netherlands Army

2. klasse

Jonkheer Isaac Laurens van den BERCH VAN HEEMSTEDE, Reserve-Major of Grenadiers, Royal Netherlands Army

W.J.M. LINDEN, Reserve-Colonel of Infantry, Royal Netherlands Army

Gijsbertus Jacobus SAS, Major of the General Staff, Royal Netherlands Army, Dutch Military Attache in Berlin

Aaldrik Jan George STRENGHOLT, Sports reporter

Medal

None found yet, but appearantly awarded to all who participated?

There's a very ugly standard for 60 years membership. I will upload an image later on.

Very nice ensemble, medal, document and pic!

Am I mistaken or is that a British Military Medal as well on the picture, next to the Tolsto? medal?

The Military Medal should have a swivel bar suspender and is made of silver. This medal appears to be bronze?

No idea what it migt be :(

Just to let you guys know, I think I've identyfied the three (not four as I thought first) Dutch recipients of this cross:

1. Jhr. Mr. August von Daehne, heer van Varik

Born at The Hague, 26 June, 1846. Died at The Hague at 26 January, 1930.

He became a Knight of Justice of the Order of Sain John, Baley of Brandenburg (Prussia) in 1898 (Dutch Royal Approval by Decree No. 31 of 4 August, 1898), an Officer in the Order of the Oaken Crown of Luxembourg (Dutch Royal Approval by Decree No. 3 of 2 February, 1900) and a Knight 2nd class of the Order of Saint Stanislas of Russia (Dutch Royal Approval by Decree No. 3 of 2 February, 1900).

2. Willem Reinhard Adolph Carel Graaf van Rechteren Limpurg

Born at The Hague on 11 April, 1865. Died at Velp on 7 February, 1929.

He became a Knight of Honor of the Order of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem in 1909 (Dutch Royal Approval by Decree No. 68 of 6 December, 1909).

3. Willem Hendrik Baron Taets van Amerongen, heer van Woudenberg.

Born at The Hague on 9 November, 1862. Died at Zeist on 23 November, 1939.

He became a Knight of Honor of the Order of Saint John, Baley of Brandenburg (Prussia) in 1908 (Dutch Royal Approval by Decree No. 51 of 13 May, 1908).

The Dutch Chancellary of Orders of Knighthood has nothing in their archives on approvel of accepting the ?lbergkreuz to the above persons. Also, the Bulgarian Order of Saint Alexander, worn by Taets van Amerongen on this picture, had never been approved for wear by a Dutch Royal Decree.

Lilo,

I don't think they enamel on the backsite gives a clue on the period. I think that difference can be explained by differtent makers.

One thing that I can say about these two pieces is, that they are very early pieces. How? Because the crown is connected between the balls of the arms. Later versions have a reversed V between the crown and the cross.

Cheers,

Erik

Hello All,

I noted at least two different types of the ?Order of the Netherlands Lion? (see photos attached):

A) type without enamel around the lion;

B) type with enamel around the lion.

I would like to know :

Do this difference in manufacture enable us to establish exactly in which period (from ? to) that Order was adopted or it is a simple variation due to who made the Order ?

In other words, considering the type without enamel around the lion, can we exactly establish when this pattern was in use ?

If so, can you specify what is the period of issue (from ? to) for both the ?A? and ?B? patterns ?

Awaiting to hear from you

Best Regards

Lilo

We had several Portuguese-made pieces from Gary Hartman's collection. I'll have to check the details.

Spink never made ON-badges as far as I know (at least there are no mention of an order for badges to Spink in the WW2-archives). ON-badges from the Portugese firm can be identified by the striations on the sides of the armes (or medal).

I heard from my cousin (her husband's relative had one awarded to him) that upon the death of the recipient, the family can now keep the piece by paying a token sum to the Chancellery...

True, but why pay an incredible high amount of money (surely no token!), when you can say you burried it with the deceased, or simply that you lost it?

Jeff,

PM me the name and I can probably get you the date of award. The why will be more difficult.

Gr.,

Erik

Are there rolls of recipients? Foreign recipients? I have an American group with a civil Orange Nassau, knight, and would really like to find out when/why he received it.

On the recipient cards of the Chancellery of Netherlands Orders a remark was written when the award was returned. This also applied for foreign recipients. After fifthy years it is assumed that the recipient has died and no effort is made to get the piece returned. However, in the past the Chancellery did made efforts to get the pieces back, but nowadays it is cheaper to make a new piece.

Since Dutch Orders were only fabricated by official manufacturers no private made pieces, unless they were of smaller model, can be found. All full size decorations are supplied by the Government.

A Cross of Lily- V class.

Women Defence League award.

43 awarded until 2004.

Looking at these awards I wish I was in the Estonian uniform branch :love:

Erik

That was my guess, actually, but I couldn't resist poking you! I only wish I spoke any language besides my milk tongue as well as so many members of this group clearly speak/write multiple languages!

Peter

We have to, you Brits usually don?t speak other languages

This post offcourse being

Sorry Peter, is is a battalion mounted on bicycles. In Duth it is called 'Regiment Wielrijders', I couldn't come up with another translation.

Cheers,

Erik

Eric

On a totally irrelevant (and cheeky) note: can I assume that "Bikers Regiment" is either named for a Colonel Biker or were a battalion mounted on bicycles?

Because to my North American mind it conjures up visions of big hairy guys on Harley Davidson's!

Just the sort of Unit I'd want to be an NCO or officer in !!

Roeland,

The 1923 Officers list, lists on page 243:

Infantry - Reserve 1st Lieutenants

G. Storm, 21. Infantry Regiment, 1st Lt. 3 July, 1922, 2nd Lt. 3 July, 1918, born 1897.

The 1939 Officers list, lists on page 180:

Infantry - Reserve 1st Lieutenants

G. Storm, Bikers Regiment, 1st Lt. 1 January, 1936, 2nd Lt. 1 January, 1932, born 1908.

The 1956 Officers list, lists on page 80:

Infantry - Reserve Captains

G. Storm, Student-Pilot, Temp. Maj, Capt. 1 April 1947, 1st Lt. 1 January 1936, 2nd Lt. 1 January 1932, born 1908.

Awards: War Commemorative Cross 1940-1945 with clasp 'Netherlands May 1940', Officers Long Service Cross 'XX', Military Merit Medal Portugal 3rd class

I don't know if any of these two officers is your Colonel, but they are the only G. Storms mentioned.

Gr.,

Erik