chuck

Nice bar for an NCO with only about 2,300 Zinc medals awarded.

Regards, 

chuck 

On 11/02/2022 at 02:10, v.Perlet said:

Hello Chuck,

 

that several manufacturers were involved is clear to me. My question was more as to adhering to given standards in regards to coating versions and the substance of the core-material. - which I believe was only Eisen/iron.

 

If you say 'first design" you got me confused a bit, since I thought the closed version is the one that Willi approved in March 1918 - was it the Durchbrochene version then?

 

Regards

v.Perlet

Hi  v.Perelt,

In accordance with the implementation regulations for the Wound Badge "The Badge is of Iron" Cited  from For Valour, pg 68, Gordon McGregor.

Regards, 

Chuck

a mistake in typing i had meant open design.

i have also read iron was the original material, but commercial versions were made of many different metals.

Regards

Chuck

Hi V.Perlet, 

The 1914/18 wound badge was widely produced by many companies in all three versions Black, Matt White and Matt Gold after the end of the 1st World War. I know of several Companies such as Godet, Assmann, Otto Schickle, Wilhelm Deumer, and Pual Meybauer that all produced badges commercially with various backing devices.  Most companies did not mark their badges so that it is not so easy to identify manufacturers.

As for your second question, i have never heard of who produced the first design and why. I would also like to know who may have been the designed and when as it was not an officially produced badge. 

Regards, 

Chuck  

P.S. I think this would make fascinating article as their is a general lack of good books.

Hi v.Perlet, 

I actually have seen these and thought it was a modern fantasy piece. interesting to know there is some slight history even though it is a fantasy piece.  

Regards, 

Chuck 

11 hours ago, v.Perlet said:

Hello chuck,

 

someone or some people are a lot faster on this topic?

 

have a look on:

 

eBay-Artikelnummer: 203700820280, selling this stuff for 30-40euro

The seller says it is based on the design by Paul Kredlow

 

Regards

v.Perlet

Hi v.Perlet, 

Thank you for your suggestions and the link.  I have contacted the website to enquire if they could provide any further details of the story, or event. The reason i had originally posted this question was in the hope a GMIC member may have already heard of this story and could provide some further insight. Now i will wait and see if i receive a reply from the website.

Regards,

Chuck

On 30/01/2022 at 02:01, v.Perlet said:

Hello chuck,

 

I would say that the only way to confirm this "story" or event is via someone producing original scripts or design sketches that could support this claim.

Another question would also be, as to what kind of design was forwarded by Paul Kredlow or Godet, and as to what degree did it reflect the Woundbadge - approved - introduced by Willi in 1918.

 

The one most viable to confirm this would be company Godet via its archives, respectively:

Bund Deutscher Ordenssammler / Deutsche Gesellschaft für Ordenskunde e.V.

 

https://www.deutsche-gesellschaft-fuer-ordenskunde.de/DGOWP/

 

Lots of e-mail addresses on the page and I am quite sure that most if not all can speak English.

 

Regards

v.Perlet

 

Hi Graf,

A little off topic but on the 2nd bar what Bulgarian rank would have received a crown order 3rd class with swords??

Regards, 

Chuck 

Daer Fellow Members, 

  I recently came upon a website stating that a Storm Grenadier Paul Kredlow was the designer of the Wound Badge 1914-1918 in the summer of 1917. I've always understood that the designer was unknown. The website cites "Uniform-Markt" which i believe is a commercial publication for military uniforms, and orders that was published from 1934 to 1945.  In addition, and contradicting this claim, I have read in The History of the Iron Cross and Wound Badge by Gordon McGregor (pg. 76) that the question had been raised to the military archive in Potsdam in 1937, and that the reply was that the archive did not know "who the designer of the badge was".

www.Heimatsammlung-Essen.de - Wounded Badge

 I was wondering if anyone had heard of this previously, or as i am not a German Speaker if they know more of or have the publication source??

Regards,

Chuck

Thank you i did purchase the piece because it was marked. I would love to find a Prussian XXV year officers cross  marked by S-W to go with this one.

Regards

chuck 

i've had this example by SY-WAGNER (S-W Punched) for several years that i believe was original sold as Gold Plated.

Regards,

Chuck

Merry Christmas and Best Wished in the New Year!!

Very nice, I've only seen the split pin type of attachment on a sword device.

Thank you for the fine pictures.

Chuck  

a very wonderful bar i really admire the workmanship of the crown order device.

Is the device attached by a single screw and nut?

Regards, 

Chuck

Nice cross not sure it matches any of the listed examples.

The Prussian Red Eagle Order - Eagle Design (medalnet.net)

Regards, 

Chuck 

Vince,

Fantastic piece with well worth researching the family history.

Regards,

chuck

2 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

Hi Chuck,

I have no idea.

 

Best,

Daniel 

Daniel, 

Just seems odd a bravery award would rank in last place on his medal bar considering he must have been a professional military officer.

Do you know what decoration is he wearing around his neck?

Regards,

Chuck

1 hour ago, Daniel Krause said:

to keep this alive,

 

here a bar, whch Rick and I discussed many years ago.

We thought it might be a fake, until we found a pic of that guy.

LtCol Karl Schiller

 

Best,

Daniel

Hi Daniel, 

very nice bar is there a reason why the Hessen award is last?

Regards, 

Chuck

My opinion, looks like a campaign medal ribbon for sudetenland, but i do not collect third riech.

Regards,

Chuck

7 hours ago, CRBeery said:

The bottom cross in the center has the HOSSAUER mark but it is between the right arm and lower arm. Not the greatest picture but the best my phone will do.

This is my favorite. The top ring was given a bit of a turn and the split rings were used.

Hi Beery,

  very nice examples, i have not previously seen an example of the 1st version with the Hossauser marking. it looks like you only need a zinc copy.

Regards

chuck 

Another quick/good reference for the variations of the officer long service cross

Antique Photos - Long Service Award for Officers (antique-photos.com)

Regards,

Chuck 

On 17/08/2009 at 21:29, Martin W said:

Nice badge Richard.I used to have a tombak Wound badge in silver with the exact same hinge.From what i recall it was attributed to Deumer?

Still,a good looking and uncommon badge IMO.

 

Regards,Martin.

Hi Martin,

 I am looking at a WW 1 award with the same hinge set-up, and would like to know what the source is for attribution to Deumer???

Regards, 

Chuck 

I found a Deschler tinnie with the same fastener ca 1924.

On 14/09/2020 at 14:39, Martin62 said:

Hello everyone,

I have a WW1 Imperial German Black Wound badge in my collection photos attached. The badge has a cheap looking broach pin arrangement. Please could anyone tell me if the badge is original or a reproduction? Many thanks. Martin  

Hi Martin, 

I found a Deschler tinnie pin ca 1924 with the same type of pin fastener and a manufactures name plate.

Does anyone know if Deschler also made wound badges? Deschler certainly made zinc military merit cross at the end of the war for the Bavarian Army.

Imperial Militaria (gielsmilitaria.com)

Regards, 

Chuck

1 hour ago, speedytop said:

Chuck,

 

I had the opportunity to review and evaluate the estates of some well-known Prussian generals of a noble family.
There was nothing bought after the war, all exclusively original awards.
A "General der Infanterie", awarded with many high German and foreign decorations, owner of the Black Eagle Order and the Pour le Merite with oak leaves, had also received high Turkish orders. The Imtyaz medals in gold and silver, the Order of the Ottoman 1st Class and the TWM in the original award bag, manufacturer B.B.&Co.
An enameled badge.

Therefore, it is clear to me (and others) that not only lacquered badges were awarded in WWI.

 

Uwe

Hi Uwe, 

I refer to a book by the author M.DEMIR ERMIN who states the following on YOUTUBE promoting his book. exclusively about the medal in question "Harp Madalyasi".  The "The official medal was a thin layer red lacquered painted one" the quote is at  2:18 seconds in the video.

The Turkish War Medal by M. Demir ERMAN (wixsite.com)

Regards, 

Chuck 

Hi Uwe,

  That's great information i have learned something new. 

Regards,

chuck

Uwe, 

 I have read this in GMIC threads.  As i do not collect Turkish awards i have not purchased any books, but here is a web site.  

German Colonial Uniforms - Medals awarded to German Colonial and Overseas Troops

Regards, 

Chuck