chuck

Something I copied of GMIC that covers various state award regulations

Imperial German Award Regulations.doc

Hi Peter, 

what period is the Saxon Henty order from it looks very different from the WWI pieces I have seen.

chuck

Gentlemen, 

I've purchased a nice cross from Braunschweig Military merit Cross 1st that is on the way from the dealer, and am looking at identifying who may be the maker. I recently noticed WOSCHLER ORDER had sold one that looks identical except the needle system. They have quoted the below literature stating Herman Jurgens had provided cross supplied by two jewelers Lauer of Nurnberg, and Brehmer of Markneukirchen.

Does anyone know if this cross is from either manufacture??

Literatur: Lehmann, Eike. Geschichte des braunschweigschen Kriegsverdienstkreuzes. In: Orden und Ehrenzeichen. Das Magazin für Freunde der Phaleristik Nr. 122 (August 2019). S. 182–195.

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Shiessplatzmeister, 

Thank you very much for your response. I really think the Bavarians made one of the best looking imperial awards. 

Regards, 

Chuck 

My first BMVO With swords and crown from Weiss and Co. A little wrought around the edges, but I think a nice piece for my Bavarian Military Merit collection. 

Can anyone tell me why the blue enamel is very dark I though it was supposed to be more transparent which is the way it shows in the photos?

Hi Bob, 

  nice photos and thanks for sharing. do you take any photos of the Imperial Saxon orders and decorations?

regards, 

chuck 

my small collection o f IC 1's.

A maker marked Godet "G" pinback

A unidentified maker with screw back.

A unmarked "AWS" screw back prince cross.

Gentlemen, 

Thank you all for your comments. if I understand the production of such a cross could have taken place during the later period of the war 1917/18 or sometime after the war. I am happy with the piece and it goes well with my small collection of 3 crosses which I would like to post shortly.

regards, 

chuck 

Chris, 

very nice box and a wonderful find to say the least.

can we see the backs of the IC 1 and wound badge?

Regards, 

Chuck 

Iron Cross Guru if you don't mind the name.

  can anyone comment on when these screw back type cross came on to the market? I have seen the same type in other state awards such as Oldenburg FA 1st class, and considered buying the piece as a postwar cross to add next to the official awards type. 

Regards, 

Chuck

Saschaw, 

Thank you very much for enlightening me on this subject. I was not aware that many of the manufacturing firms sold their cores to other company or jewelers to be put together. I am happy with the cross and it goes will with my pinback Godet.

if I could trouble you do you have any comment on when this type of backing set-up may have been introduced and sold on the market??

sincerely

chuck 

I believe the award number is 18,374.

Congratulations I think that is a really cool board you have purchased.  I have a question, as their are several different types of swords do they represent different kingdoms?

chuck 

Claudio 

congratulations on the new bar. it is very good looking bar. could you please explain all the devices as I do not know what many of the ribbons or devices signify.

thanks,

 chuck 

okay no comment   ?

My guess on  #7 would be the Schaumburg Lippe Military Merit Medal 1870. 

three lines of text on the reverse;  Fur -  Militair -  Verdienst

https://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/deutsche-staaten/militar-verdienstmedaille-form-1870.html

regards, Chuck

very nice bar.

would the golden merit cross have been presented for his retirement?

Graham,

  Very fine details on the cross leaf's what is the rank?

chuck 

Gentlemen,

I believe a found the same core coss marked as wagner and son on sale from weitze.

can anyone tell me if wagner made crosses without a makers mark??

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/89/Preussen_Eisernes_Kreuz_1914_1_Klasse__351889.html

regards, 

chuck 

very beautiful award and on my wish list. 

I can see the center medallion is much simpler castle than the later version which also appears to have a thicker ring around the center medallion. 

Regards, 

Chuck 

Komtur,

what period did they make the early crosses?

chuck 

any suggestions would be welcome...

Good Evening Gentlemen, 

I am hoping someone can assist me in identifying the maker of this iron cross I recently purchased. It is only marked 800 silver, and I've seen an older thread that identified a similar set-up  the type as 1920's manufacture. However, after looking through the GMIC sit a could not find a similar cross.

Thank you 

Chuck 

Good Evening, 

according to the listed website their is 11,100 crosses awarded with swords. (google translate as I can not)

https://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/deutsche-staaten/albrechtsorden-ritterkreuz-2-klasse-mit-schwerter.html

Order of Albrecht Knight's Cross 2nd class with swords
 
The Albrechtesorden was donated by King Friedrich August II as a souvenir of Duke Albrecht the Beherzten on 31.12.1850. He first divided into the following classes: Grand Cross, Commander's Cross 1, Commander's Cross 2, Knight's Cross and Cross. The first form of the order, with a "baker's hat", was awarded until 1875. The portrait in the medallion probably represents the greatest error in the history of the Order. The portrait did not depict Albrecht the Afflicted, but John the Constant's nephews from the Ernestine line. This embarrassing mistake was corrected with the change in the medallion. The second form shows the right Albrecht with folding cap. In 1866 the swords were donated to all classes. The knights were divided in 1876 into Knights 1st and 2nd class. The cross of honor was canceled and was now the 2nd class of knights. The Albrechtskreuz replaces the golden medal as 6th grade. In 1890 the officer's cross was donated over the 1st class. Second Class Knight Crosses were made in silver or made of silver with gilt middle shields and swords. The size varies between 48-46 mm x 34.5-33.5 mm. The cross was awarded with swords about 11,100 times.

regards 

chuck