chuck

On 3/25/2017 at 11:33, Dave Danner said:

Don, 

What is the cipher on the SEK4X?

Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt had its own Dienstauszeichnung, but Schwarzburg-Sondershausen typically awarded active NCOs the silver Ehrenmedaille for 12 years' service.  I think the missing one is more likely an earlier-awarded Prussian DA3 for 9 years' service or a DA1 for 15 years.  An LD2 is possible, but I think he is more likely an career NCO who then took a civil service job (military service time would count toward the Treuedienst-Ehrenzeichen).

Dave, 

Then did the NCO receive a DA at 9 yrs then the ehren medal at 12 years?

chuck

congratulation camelback i am still looking for mine zinc and bronze with no luck.

cheers

chuck 

Dave, 

Thank you for the reply. I have a nice 2nd version from the world war i era without swords but have not seen a 2nd version w/roman swords for sale for my small collection...i will keep hoping for good luck.

regards,

chuck 

Dave, 

 Do you know how many awards with swords were presented during world war 1. 

Chuck

Hi Camelback,

That is a mistake on my part MVK i looked at the wrong number on my sheet. Deruelle is correct.

I still do not have the first volume on Bavaria from O'Connor books. i just won't pay $300 on amazon which it seems like is always the price. The other volumes are more reasonable and always come up on amazon. All of his books are in paperback except volume VII.

I have the same interest in bravery wards and have found his books well worth the investment in knowledge from when i started several years ago.

Chuck

camelback,

this is what i have found for numbers mostly from neal o'connors book aviation awards of imperial germany in world war 1.

Mecklenburg-schwerin 17,615

Baden silver 120,00 Gold 402

Hohenzollern 5,875, gold 640

Saxe-Coburg-Gotha silver 9,799 gold 828

Saxe-Weimer-Eisenacg bronze 12,375, silver 3855, gold 462

wurttemburg silver 201,412 gold 4,234

regards,

chuck 

) I also need similar "number awarded info" on these 9 EK2 medals:  1) Anhalt Friedrich Cross; 2) Baden Silver Merit Medal; 3) Schwartzburg Silver Medal for Merit in War; 4) Hohenzollern Silver Merit Medal with swords (gold also); 5) Saxony Bronze Friedrich-August (silver also); 6) Saxe-Coburg-Gotha Silver Merit Medal with sword-clasp (Gold also); 7) Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach Bronze General Honor Decoration with sword clasp (silver also); 8) Reuss Silver Merit Medal with swords, and 9) Wurttemberg Silver Military Merit Medal.  If anybody can help me out with any of these medals I would really appreciate it.

Wow...  very nice, and congratulations on the new piece for your collection.

chuck 

Neal O'Conner book VOL II states the Prussian official changed to silver gilt by supreme Cabinet Order of Wilhelm II on November 16, 1916. i would reasonably assume that the other states also had trouble supplying gold for all the decoration and awards and followed suit after the kaisers decree.

Chuck

very nice.

I have the Deschler zinc with swords and have been looking for the crowned version, and  have not seen one for sale recently. very interesting to see that Deschler was not the only manufacturing company that changed the production at the end of the war.

thank you,

chuck

spolei

the first time i have heard of a one piece cross if you don't mind sharing your knowledge.

what years were they made?

only by Weiss or did others try this variation?

Are these award pieces or a private purchase

For the lower rank soldiers i think these are nice awards.

regards,

chuck 

Hello All,

  According to Neal O'Conner (Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany, Volume IV, pg16.) their is no formal order of precedence for civilian even though the Crown Order was worn in practice ahead of the Military Merit Order. To confuse the lack of published guidance a 1905 inquiry to the order chancellor states the Military Merit Order was worn in front of the Crown Order with Swords on the Orders Schnalle for officers.

Interesting??

Chuck

very nice, would the cross be made by foehr since it has a ring attachment for the swords??

regards,

chuck

Considering the size and position on the medal bar in my opinion the 2nd medal may be a Bavarian Military Merit Cross of the Military Merit Order from 1866-1905.

The century medal is 40mm & the merit cross 43mm.

appears the cross arms have blue enamel, and the outer center of the middle ring could be white enamel.

merit cross peace ribbon is white with blue strips on the out side.

http://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/deutsche-staaten/militarverdienstkreuz-ohne-flammen.html

anyways that my guess...

Chuck

Hi Dodyory,

In my opinion it is North Korean. As the the writing is in Korean, and the tank looks like a T54/55.

Chuck 

Cartaphilus, 

According to Neal O'Connors the Princely Hohenzollern House Order was recognized by Prussia in a Royal Decree signed on august 23 1849, and taken into the Prussian series of order by a state treaty concluded on December 7 1849. In addition he states that King of Prussia by this decree would approval all awards. However he also states that in reality the Prussian left the awarding up to the Prince of Hohenzollern. In addition to reinforce this fact he does list the award regulations signed be Prince Wilhelm on October 30, 1916. 

Hope this is helpful 

Chuck

Wonderful medal, i really love the exquisite design work on the back!!

Hi Jason,

Just a novice collector but  in my opinion looking at Jorg Nimmerguts Banderkatalog the blue on the ribbon looks too dark (#195). The ribbon looks closer to a Wurttemberg 1st or 2nd class DA ribbon for 1833-1850 (#643).

Chuck

Hi Deruelle,

Very nice set of awards.

Do they belong to the gentlemen in the photo?

Chuck

On 6/30/2016 at 23:00, Streptile said:

I'd also add Eric Ludvigsen's Prussian and other Imperial German Award Statistics.

Hi Streptile, 

Do you know were you can purchase Ludvigsen's book??

Chuck

Hi Okenraven,

  I am novice collector myself, but would like to recommend the following site for all types Saxon awards. Unfortunately only in Germany, but a great site.

http://www.sachsens-orden.de.vu

Chuck

Andreas, 

I thought the order of awards was wrong for Prussia, or would that not be so important post war?

Chuck 

3 hours ago, dedehansen said:

In my humble opinion legit, for sure Prussian and

I don´t think that there was a second row.

Kind regards
Andreas

Andreas,

I am a novice and do not understand why this would be Prussian. The Prussian war effort cross is the highest award on the medal bar according to the 1915 regulations.

Chuck

Hi Dean,

Turkish cultural site describe the medal in English.

"Awards made during World War I bear a ribbon clasp of crossed sabers with the year 1333 (1915), in the same material as the medal itself "

http://www.turkishculture.org/general/monetary/ottoman-medals/ottoman-medals-decorations-820.htm?type=1

Chuck 

Hi Andreas

I read von Hessenthals' book on the difference in lettering on the reverse. Still a little confused as the Prussian LandWehr II classes that i see on the dealers sites don't necessarily match the book. I learned something new which is always good.

Thanks,

Chuck

What is he difference between the Hessen Landwehr II class, and the Prussian Landwehr II class last models??  Besides the ribbons 

Were awards actually made by the same official company??

Chuck