bsweeney

This is not a Vele-Dog it is really classified as a pocket bulldog... most Vele or Velo-Dogs do have enclosed hammers and also folding triggers. The principal feature distinguishing Velo-Dogs from other revolver types is its elongated cylinder, chambered either for the slender 5.5mm center-fire Velo-Dog cartridges (sometimes known as '5.75mm') or a similar 6mm rimfire 'Type Francaise'. This gun, the Arminius Model 10 chambers a 7.65mm auto round same as a Walther PPK or Colt Pocket hammerless.

Does the size of the gun suggest anything else? Also, remember that conditions in Germany around this time would prohibit private gun purchases and limit them to party members only!

I got a great idea! Since this is a discussion forum and frankly I am not sure of the military usage for a gun like this, if any. Let me describe it ?best I can? and open it to debate as to its possible usage. This revolver is well made, is hammerless, fires a round comparable to a Walther PPK, and is SMALLER than the PPK. Does this description suggest anything to anyone? One more point; it would have been less expensive than the Walther PPK! Lets hear from someone!

Jokka and Paul It is an Arminius model 10; by Friedrich Pickert, Zella St Blasii (till 1919) and then Zella-Mehlis. it is a 7.65 mm auto; pocket mammerless five shot revolver. Thank's for asking. Bill

I am very partial to the Walther PP and especially in 9mm.

What is really interesting about this DWM is that the proof marks have been ground off at some date.

I am going to have to look, I think I recall there is but the gun is sealed and in storage.

Sounds like one I should have' Thanks

No. It is a part of a collection I am working on! Axis guns.

F, herstal-lez Liege, 7.65mm auto.

Unceta y Compania, Guernica, 1943-6, 9mm parabellum.

Pietro Beretta SpA, Gardone Val Trompia. Proffed for German airforce. in 7.65 mm auto.

Pistoly 37.M; Femaru Feyver es Gepgyar Reszvenytarsasag, Budapest, 1937-44 9mm short.

J.P Sauer & Sohn, Suhl 1939-45 7.65mm auto.

Spreewerke GmbH, Berlin 1942-5

Army pattern; Berlin-Karlsruher Industrie-Werke AG 1922-30.

Mauser-Werke AG, Oberndorf, 1937-45. 7.65 auto.

Arminius Model 10; FriedrichPickert, Zella-Mehlis 7.65mm auto; 5 shot.

Is it suppose to lead somewhere? I thought this is a site where we share common interests, I am just sharing photos of what I feel is nice gun with others that are suppose to be into them. My point was for those who live where guns are mandated to be de-activated and the shame it is. Nothing Personal!

Lucky for me I am in the USA and am able to own this beautiful gun in it's original splendor! Who among us would want to de-activate this beauty? Enjoy the pics and don't forget to comment. More guns to come! Bill in America...........

I does not have Russian refinish, it's more like a well worn original finish with a very certain area by the barrell on the frame right side where obvious grinding took place (they left that raw). Another point of interest it fires beautifully. But what of the V stamped before the serial number any thoughts on this. Also shouldnt there be some other proof I can't find any.

I don't have to much to add I am unable to give you a nationality because the only proof marks I think there were, were ground off Tupe is marked 1920 DWM all matching but for the cam bearing.

I own a DWM P08 that has a letter V stamped right before the serial number also it has an area right side of gun that would have been proofed ground off. Was this gun captured and then this done to it?

I am a graphic designer and when gun is in my hands photos will follow. Bill

Let me try to clarify what I was trying to get at. I own a cyq P38 it is extremely rough in its finish. I own a Walther PPK, it is smooth, shiny and a deep blue black in its finish. The gun that we are discussing is very much like that PPK. I think the comparison I just made between the two guns was lacking in this discussion and made it seem different than I actually meant. This P38 is in its finish like a Walther should be, smooth and shiny with a dark finish very much resembling my PPK. P.S. The PPK is an original gun untouched. I should mention here that the Walther banner or manu. mark cyq is the only mark missing every other proof mark and serial # is present and I can see on wear of any kind on all maeks. They look as they should.