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I have a question for the experts here in the Forum regarding the MMJO engraved ring number, or Matrikelnummer, and the recipient to which it was awarded.

I have access to Kramer´s “Virtuti Pro Patria” 1966 book, and Schrettinger´s 1882 book. Virtuti Pro Patria numbers seem to be chronological and not the actual “Matrikelnummer”

For example, Oberst Theodor Ritter von Hermann’s MMJO that was auctioned a couple of years ago, has a Matrikelnummer 289. However Virtuti Pro Patria (page 147) lists von Hermann’s MMJO as number 150. I guess this is the 150th. MMJO awarded during WW1.

So, how can I search a MMJO ring numbers to find out the times and recipients who received it? Where could I find this information?

Your guidance and help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Wonderful group. Thanks for sharing

It is made in gold by Wagner. 

2 hours ago, Utgardloki said:

Indeed, there aren't many recipients, do You know the original recipient of yours?

Great work! looks very nice.

Kind regards!
 

Unfortunately, I do not know who the recipient was...

Thanks. Without any doubt the most difficult piece to get is the RAO3 with crown and swords.....

Many years ago I posted a thread called "Finally after many years" showing a project of mine which took many years to complete. I have always (since I was a kid actually) wanted to replicate Manfred von Richthofen's  Ordenskissen as it was displayed at his 1925 reburial in Berlin.  At that time I had a copies for the Pour Le Merite and for the Red Eagle Order, 3 Class, with Crown and Swords. Fortunately, I have been able to acquire original pieces for those awards.  All pieces here are, to the best of my knowledge, time period original. The only reproduction is of course the ribbon bar.

Richthofen's Ordenskissen in 1925 had a Crowned Bavarian  MVO , but we now know that he only got the MVO 4th with Swords. How that Crowned piece got into his medal bar is a mystery so far.

Richthofen original Ordenskissen:

Stunning bars Claudio, thanks for sharing them...

For me it´s got to be this

On 15/08/2019 at 06:41, Wessel Gordon said:

I'm sure this isn't the right forum but the ''Classifieds'' section seems to have some issues so please excuse me if this post is in an inappropriate thread.

I am looking for the insignia of a Prussian/German officer to accompany my Pour le Merite but can't seem to find it on any site. Does somebody perhaps know where I can find some even if it's replica items?

 

Could you please share a photo of your Pour Le Merite with us?  

Ok so a golden cross, with scratched W, but with silver swords. I guess it does make sense. 
A nice cross. Congratulations.

I have a Red Eagle 3rd Class with Crown and Swords made by Wagner with basically the same eagle and letter chasing

Here is the one I have.

This is a horrible copy!

Dear Larentius, thank you very much !!!

Hello this is a portrait of PLM (26.09.17) winner Heinrich von Hadeln, born 21.2.1871.

I was wondering if someone could help me identify the orders mounted on his medal bar. From left Ek2, HHOx (13.01.17), 3, 4, 5, MVK Austria, 7 , 8

His biography records him having a KVK II+. What would this refer to?

 And the Deutsche Orders Almanach from 1908/09 shows the Centenary Medal from Prussia, a Japanese Order and a Romanian Order right?

Thank very much for your help!

Where could one get a copy of this Ordensliste?

Nice 1917 silver-gilt PLM. Is it yours? Is the recipient known? Which maker? W or Fr?  

7 hours ago, Komtur said:

page number 61

Ok thank you very much! I appreciate your help

Hello  Komtur,

Thank you for your reply. Yes, it would be the one in Stab IR 166. 28.11.1915. Could you be so kind in giving me the page number in which this appears so that I can record the proper  reference ?

I would appreciate this very much.

George

Hello guys, I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I need some help. Does anyone have access to the following book?

Roth, Erhard
Verleihungen von militärischen Orden und
Ehrenzeichen des Königreiches Bayern im
Ersten Weltkrieg 1914 – 1918

For reference, I need to confirm  MVO4th kr & Schw.  Awarded to major Josef Bischoff in 1915.

I appreciate your help...

Great bar! Thanks for sharing

27 minutes ago, Daniel Cole said:

Is that PLM the same one currently on eBay? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-German-World-War-I-Pour-Le-Merite-Blue-Max-Neck-Order-with-Oak-Leaf/202226917717?hash=item2f15a9e155:g:kOQAAOSw5NxagfHC

 

No. It isn’t. I’ll post some screenshots of the pawn  stars plm

By the way, I believe this PLM in not good. 

5 hours ago, Chris Liontas said:

Who was the expert?    Not that museum director with the bad hat?

Yes, that guy. 

32 minutes ago, dond said:

I know that. But on the flip side, it is not enough to make it bad.

Yup. And that was the expert’s red flag. That’s why he told Rick he was 80% sure it was a good piece, whatever that means...

But, who takes an authentic PLM to Pawn Stars anyway? 

9 minutes ago, dond said:

The red flag for Rick and his expert was that the W was upside down with respect to the 938 silver mark.

 

I thought that was a good sign?

It was common for the makers mark to be upside down in relation  to the silver content mark, but this was not always the case. I mean, this factor alone is not enough to determine a good cross from a bad one

Did someone watch this episode? Asking price $20k. Modern ribbon. Rick asked his expert, and then he passed on this one... The red flag for Rick and his expert was that the W was upside down with respect to the 938 silver mark.

It looks good . However there is something odd with the enamel. It looks like if it was reworked or re enamelled...