GMU

With all due respect, GMU, I also have never seen such a Deschler with that particular pin, hinge, and clasp configuration. If you would be so kind as to disclose to us what "literature" you are referencing where a Deschler such as yours is shown as genuine, as your time permits. . .

Hello Bill.

An example with exactly the same dimensions as the piece I show, and with the same "1" hallmark is shown on pages 152 - 153 of DAS EISERNE KREUZ, 1813 bis heute, v. H. Gei?ler, Patzwall 1995

The piece I show has the following characteristics:

a) 45mm x 45mm x 27mm

b) Three piece construction with Iron Center

c) Has a shallow swastika unlike what has been suggested

d) Date numbers are even, not uneven as has been suggested before.

e) Numbers do not touch lower rim as has been stated before. Although not as high as many EK I?s but in similar position to many other EK I?s

f) The ?1? hallmark is typical of many other Deschlers made pieces

g) The pin is similar to that shown on Gei?lers?s book.

h) HOWEVER the hinge is not!

Now, regardless of it being a Deschler or not, is this medal an authentic EK I ? I believe it is.

But, is it a Deschler? Points a) through g) makes me believe it is. However, is h) enough to discard it as a Deschler given all the other characteristics?

If it is, it is. If it is not, it isn?t. I am no seller and I am not pretending to pass a piece for what it is not. The only thing is that, as of now, I haven?t received a real argument against it being a Deschler.

Regards,

George

Comparing yours with those above, do you still think yours is an original Deschler?

Comparing mine to literature examples, yes. Comparing mine to the other cross hallmarked "1", however, makes me doubt about the authenticity of the other cross. The hallmark doesn?t look like anything seen on literature.

Well for a start look at the numerals and position of the date... They are not the same and it sits too low, touching the frame. The swastika is too pronounced... Deschlers are very low and below the height of the frame.

Why don't you post a full, in focus, photo of the back of your cross?

Cross: 45 mm. x 45 mm.

Cross arm 27 mm.

More....

Collar hooks

Breast hook

Some more pictures

George,

Magnificent Uhlanka!! Any chance you can post a close up of the ribbons?

Dan Murphy

Dan,

Thank you very much for your comments. Here are some more pictures. The ribbon of EKII and Albert Order is a single combined ribbon. The other one, of course, is that of the Saxe-Ernestine House Order.

Thanks again. Regards, George

Saxe-Ernestine House Order-Knight 1st Class with Swords from Saxe-Altenburg 22.3.15 as Rittmeister der Reserve on Staff of Generalkommando XIX. Armeekorps.

His only Saxon Order during the war was

Albert-Knight 1st X on 22.3.16 as Rtr dR, Armee-Munitionskolonne 2-XIX.

Thank you very much for the information. I appreciate very much your help.

Regards,

George

GMU

I do not believe that the EK1 you posted is a genuine Deschler.

Rich

Why do you say so?

I am also here. About the only way to get a picture is from the regimental history if there is one. Not all regiments published a history.

Hey Paul. Thank you very much for your help. I decided to post it here because you never know who will be looking where and when. Yes, I know, obtaining a photo would be difficult, but yet again...you never know... Thanks again. George

Hello,

This Ulanka belonged to a Rittmeister Schmidt, who served with the 2nd. Royal Saxon Uhlan Regiment No. 18, garrisoned at Leipzig.

The tunic has a tag with the officer?s name, the regiment number and the date 1915. The Ulanka has the new regimetal color (burgundy) after it was changed from ponceau rot (poppy red) in 1915.

Thanks to Glenn at the Aerodrome Forum, I learnt that we are possibly talking about Rittmeister der Reserve Alfred Schmidt of 2. Ulanen-Regiment Nr. 18.

Leutnant: 22.11.99

Oberleutnant d.R.: 14.8.08 A

Rittmeister d.R: 14.8.13 G

Paul Chepurko at the Wehrmacht Awards Forum wrote the following:

"According to the 1914 Sachen Rangliste he had the following awards:

1. Sachen Albert Cross 2nd class

2. Landwehr long service 2nd class

3. Sachen Ernestine house order 2nd class

4. Sachen Altenburg Ernest medal

Since he was a reserve officer he is not listed in the post war army honor ranklist"

Can someone in this forum provide me with more information about this person? A picture perhaps???

Thanks,

George

Here is mine.