Berlinerbummel

Back in 2007, my cousin Ernst gave me some of  our paternal grandfather's medals and documents.  He also gave me this photograph.  He thought it was our Opa, but it is not.  I realize that I won't find out who it is by posting the photo, but perhaps some of you gentlemen can tale a look at it and let me know the unit he was in.

Thank you,

Arnim

On 11/01/2020 at 12:49, Berlinerbummel said:

A friend of mine has been offered (for sale) a general officer tunic which includes the pictured sew-on ribbon bar.  It includes an unusual ribbon.  I have never seen such a ribbon.  It looks like two tiny EKII ribbons mounted side-by-side! May I have your opinion on this?

They made popular combinations like EKII and Honor Cross and EKII (39) and KVKII in a single weave.  Maybe they made the EKII (14) and the "war ribbon" in a single weave and some guy used that in this ribbon bar - just a thought.  There is no break in the center of that wierd ribbon.

I got this from the Axis forum:

8-place bar:

EKII 1914
Preussisches Verdienstkreuz für Kriegshilfe
Sächsisches Ritterkreuz 2. kl des Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausordens mit Schwertern,
Lippisches KVK am Band für Kämpfer,
Ehenremkreuz - 1934
Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen 2. kl,
Ehrenzeichen des DRK 2. kl,
Ungarisches Ehrenmedaille des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern

11-place Bar:

EKII 1914 
Preussisches Verdienstkreuz für Kriegshilfe
Sächsisches Ritterkreuz 2. kl des Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausordens mit Schwertern,
Lippisches KVK am Band für Kämpfer,
Ehenremkreuz - 1934
Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen 2. kl,
Treudienst Ehrenzeichen 40 Jahre (6 juillet 1939),
Deutsches Olympia Ehrenzeichen
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13 März 1938,
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1 Oktober 1938 mit Spange «Prager Burg»,
Ungarisches Ehrenmedaille des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern

The Red Cross and Olympia ribbons should not technically be on the ribbon bar because they are higher awards worn as badges but many higher-up wore them anyway.

Here are other awards not on the ribbon bars:

EKI
Silver Wound Gold Party Badge (not worn)   

Neck Medals / Breast Stars

Danziger Kreuz 1. kl (31 août 1939),- not worn
Lippe Detmold House Order II Klasse - worn
Ehrenzeichen des DRK 1. kl mit Halsdekoration u. Bruststern, 
Cavaliere di Gran Croce dell’Ordine della Corona d’Italia,
Cavaliere di Gran Croce dell’Ordine dei Santi Maurizio e. Lazzaro,
Sächsisches Grosskreuz des Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausordens (1935),
Deutsches Olympia Ehrenzeichen 1. kl (1936),
Ehrenzeichen des DRK 1. kl mit Halsdekoration u. Bruststern,
Jugoslawisches Grosskreuz des Ordens d. Krone von Jugoslawien,
Goldenes Ehrenzeichen d. NSDAP (31 janvier 1937),= Party Badge - wprn
Spanisches Ritterkreuz d. Ordens von Joch u. den Pfeilen (9 février 1941),
Japanisches Orden des Heiligten Schatzes 1. kl am Grossen Bande (29 mars 1941),

Dienstauszeichnung d. NSDAP in Bronze.(not on ribbon bar)

Thierry -

Did you ever figure out ribbon 2 and 3 on your ribbon bar - the 8er?

They have to be WWI ribbons so we need a rangliste!

EKII 1914

Kriegshilfe

/

/

Ehenremkreuz - 1934

Silesian Eagle 2^nd Class

Red Cross Medal

Hungary – WWI Commemorative - 1934

On pocket

EKI

Silver Wound Gold Party Badge

-           

Neck Medals / Breast Stars

Lippe Detmold House Order II Klasse

Ehrenzeichen des DRK 1. kl mit Halsdekoration u. Bruststern, - wears on ribbon bar

Cavaliere di Gran Croce dell Ordine della Corona d’Italia,

Other:

- Deutsche Olympia Ehrenzeichen 1. kl (1936), - wears on ribbon bar

- Treudienst Ehrenzeichen 40 jahr (6 juillet 1939),- ribbon bar

 Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13 März 1938, - ribbon bar

- Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1 Oktober 1938, - ribbon bar

- Dienstauszeichnungen d. NSDAP in Bronze.- not worn

If the ribbon is folded, it is folded on the other side.  There is no "crease" on the front.  I have never seen a ribbon like this.

My buddy decided not to purchase.

A friend of mine has been offered (for sale) a general officer tunic which includes the pictured sew-on ribbon bar.  It includes an unusual ribbon.  I have never seen such a ribbon.  It looks like two tiny EKII ribbons mounted side-by-side! May I have your opinion on this?

Yes, the Red Eagle - I forgot to mention that one - there's no indication he received that one either.  Can you think of any sites that might indicate an Ottoman award - the Iron Crescent of the Gallipoli Star perhaps?

The photo of the medals and documents is interesting.  I wonder if they are all his - like the Kriegshilfe medal.  The EKI and II are there, as is the Hohenzollern.  There is a smaller medal on the parade bar bracket.  Too bad the Soldbuch is closed!  I think the family took the stuff with them when they ceremonies were over.

I have been asked by a friend who is related to Otto Brauneck to find out what awards he had.  He plans to assemble a shadow box for his young son with the aviator's awards (replicas, of course) and a model of the Albatross the Leutnant was flying when he was shot down.  All I could find was the EKII, the Hohenzollern medal and an EKI.  Are these his only awards - no Ottoman "hardware?"

Many thanks for your help.

Bummel

A friend of mine purchased a nine-place trapezoid several yours ago and recently asked me to help him ID the ribbons.  At first glance I thought it might date to 1872 but it does not have the Franco-Prussian War ribbon.  I need some help gentlemen.  I think I have half of them figured out but  the last few are a mystery. I attach a photograph.

I recently purchased this 3-place Italian ribbon bar.  Can any help me  to identify the awards?

High-ranking Nazi chaps like Heydrich and Dietrich had lots of awards given not for what they did but for who they were. These fellows broke the rules for ribbon bars and did what they wanted. Sepp at least was a real soldier. Heydrich was not.

Heydrich gave his life for the gold wound badge, small sacrifice for a piece of metal

Herr Heydrich never gave anything - his life was taken from him.and it wasn't in combat. 

Correction - the bar is 1942

Michael Wittmann had the Bulgarian Soldiers Cross for Bravery and wore silver swords, as on this ribbon bar, awarded in 1941. That is the date I put on this ribbon bar. Could the last ribbon be the same award as Wittmann's?

If so, it poses the question - where did this German soldier serve alonside Bulgarians in 1941? I thought they just occupied parts of Greece and Yugoslavia in order to free up German troops to attack Russia.

Does the Bulgarian Bravery Cross require swords?

I recently gained possession of this 6-place "snap-in" ribbon bar. The German awards are clear. The two Romanian and the Bulgarian are not. I need some help. To me, this look like a German NCO's ribbon bar.

The swords on the Romanian ribbons are gold, the Bulgarian is silver.

Since there is no "Crusade" ribbon, I assume this to be a pre-1942 ribbon bar.

Help!

I am quite sorry about that! I kept shrinking the size because our "bosses" said that the file was too large! It's just like the old days in the DDR!

Zu Gross! Kleiner Machen!

Ha Ha Ha!

Being only a novice, I probably posted this request on the wrong thread - lots of readers and no replies.

In any case, I took the advice of the old addage and did it myself - ohne Hilfe! Now you chaps may benefit from my research.

The admiral's awards - less the Wehrmacht Treudienst awards - are listed in ths post - below.

I am especially interested in the admiral. One of my aunts (intelligence Amt) worked for him. It was through her that my father (an army officer) assigned to Admiral Frisius' "Festung Duenkichen," was informed that I was born on 22 December 1944.

I have been trading emails with a friend in Germany about Admiral Karl Doenitz and his foreign awards. There is plenty of "information" on the internet and he and I have concluded that much of the information is conflicting.

Can anyone furnish a list of the admiral's foreign awards and the grade of each - commander, knght, with swords or not, and so on.

Many thanks.

I will say one thing, if the bar is a post-war "fake," the guy sure went to a lot of trouble to make one rough-looking medal bar!

Stories, unfortunately, are often just that. For example a number of familiy military items came down to me - WWI and WWII - from both sides of my familly. Some of the medals were attributed to my maternal grandfather when all the time they belonged to my dad's father! It just took a little resarch to straighten things out - and a Militaer Pass and Soldbuch.

I found this medal bar during a search for a Hessen Long Service Medal on a parade bar. Boy, where do I begin? Do I start with the German swords on the Austrian medal / ribbon? How about the NCO long service award on the same medal bar with a medal - Tapferkeitskreuz - awarded only to officers? By the way, the jump-ring on the bravery medal is much too small.

The Spange zum 125 jährigen Regimentsjubiläum was awarded to 200 "older" officers and only 9 NCO's.

Draw your own conclusions my friends, but I hope that not too much money changed hands with this transaction!

Possibly a variation of the cap eagle for the personnel of department for Eastern Territories, Einsatzstab Rosenberg.

I got this eagle as a gift from a fellow who had been with the original American occupation troops stationed in western Germany just after the war. My problem with this eagle is that he is looking the wrong way! The Rosenberg eagle looks to the left also, but it looks more like an SS eagle than my eagle.

Also, the eagle in question is very ornate - quite attractive, actually. That's why I thought it might be an early NSDAP cap eagle of some kind. It certainly is not an army eagle or an SS eagle. I have never seen another one like it!

The fellow who gave me the eagle also handed me a nice bayonet and sheath - unissued - and a toy metal '88 cannon. He was a nice chap.

A few years ago a business associate gave me this eagle. I have never been able to identify it. Perhaps one of you can help. I assume that it is some kind of NSDAP cap eagle - the two prongs are missing. It is a hollow-back device.

Many thanks!

I don't think these are jewelry items.