Piramida

Bravo Christian!!!!

#1 and #3 are correct

but he was not one of the first people to recieve the national hero award the first people to get the narodni heroj were: Bosko Karalic, Stojan Grujicic, Filip Kljajic - Fico, Slavisa Weiner, Milan Ilic, Ratko Mitrovic, Rifat Burdzevic, Vladimir Knezevic, Miso Dudic, Dusan Jerkovic and Ivan Haris

The top generals usually only got the National Hero title at the end of the war or even many years later (like Koca who got his only the 27th of November 1953). The first people to get it were mostly of lower ranks, an example of this is that only two of the first 11 to get it are officers one a lieutenant and one a colonel

Another important thing to know about Koca is that he was the foreign minister of SFRY for 12 years and after that vice-president of the country, the first is much more important because he was the architect of Yugoslavia's foreign policy after the comintern split. He was also one of the recipients of the Order of Freedom (thats not the answer to number #2)

Ivan

P.S. If you guys want me to reveal the answer to number 2 please say and I'll be glad to oblige. Here is the english wiki link btw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C4%8Da_Popovi%C4%87

Dear Members

I really had no intention of getting involved in this discussion, but this last post truly disturbed me. If I understood it correctly slava1stclass seems to be implying that all Serbs are barbarians and murderers, that kind of remark offends me greatly and I think that racial hatred is definatly not the way to go.

As far as the bombing of Yugoslavia is concerned, it was a pointless conflict that could have been easily avoided, unnfortunatly the guys at the top didn't seem to want that. One thing is sure there were civilian casualties and even if there were a hundred it was to many. But the thing that is really disturbing is the lasting impression of fear that it left on many hundreds of thousands more. It was an experiance that I wouldn't want anybody to have to live through.

So please lets stop quarreling about these useless thing and just appreciatte Mr. Zulu's post for what it is: a part of a inanimate object

Ivan

Unfortunatly Christian you got all 3 questions wrong, another thing that must be noted that this man was quite an oddity among his fellow comrades which can be seen in the fact that he studied philosophy in Paris and was from an old, bourgeois, Belgrade family. But he was a party member from 1933.

Oh yes and I also wanted to add that he as far as I know did not paint or sculpt, but he did make a certain contribution to this movement

Again, good luck

Ivan

Nice try Christian, although you are incorrect.

Another thing I must point out is that by artistic movement I mean things like for example: Romantism, Realism, Expressionism and such although these movements are much older than the one in question.

Ivan

Well since there is a general consensus that I was right, I'll be impatient and post my question.

This man participated in the battle of Sutjeska

#1 Who is he?

He was also one of the first 16 recipients of a certain decoration

#2 What is that decoration?

And he was also an active participant of a certain artistic movement

#3 What was that movement?

It might not be very tough to find the answers for this question, but I think it's a good one

All the best and good luck

Ivan

I'll take a go at this one

#1 - It is the Tjeniste Monument

#2 - It commemorates the Battle of Sutjeska

#3 - It's located in the Sutjeska national park in Bosnia

Hope thats correct

Ivan

Dear Piramida,

that sounds very interesting and is completly new to me. After the 1999-war Nato vs. YU a large number of officers and soldiers received orders and medals from Milosevic, but I thought, that YU had already completly new decorations, rather similar to these of the former YU-Monarchy.

Do you have further evidence of that case?

Who had been the recipients - Gen. Pavkovic and who else?

Best regards

Christian

Dear Christian

The awards and decorations here in Serbia still have not been reformed although there is a serious proposal for an new law that regulates that subject.

During Milosevic's time orders and medals were pretty much the same as in Tito's time with a few exeptions and minor motif changes.

Concerning the Order of Freedom itself, I know I found an article on the web that confirmed this, although its this subject was infact discussed at length on the other forum.

As for the recipients you are correct that one was Colonel-General Nebojsa Pavkovic, the other was General of the Army Dragoljub Ojdanic. Now offcourse both are on trial for warcrimes...

All the best

Ivan

P.S. The order that Brezhnev should have gotten, and he did in 1962, is the order of the "Yugoslav Grand Star" not flag. He got the Freedom as a present from Tito in 1976 as a present for his 70th birthday.

Actually the order of freedom was also awarded twice in 1999 by Milosevic to two of his generals, so I guess it was awarded 9 times

Your truly a great collector Milane, I must say out of all the Communist awards the war flag is the most beautiful especially when seen in real life.

Out of the precommunist decorations I really think that the Obrenovich dynasty had, esthetically, much better orders. Milosh the Great being the crown of them all...

Btw. I think Verdun also recieved the Portugese Order of the Tower and Sword in october of 1917

And heres the coat of arms of Belgrade

The City of Belgrade, Serbia, recieved:

L?gion d'Honneur - The only city outside of France with the exception of Luxemburg and Liege. WWI

Czechoslovakian War Cross - WWI

Karageorge Star with Sword - WWI

Order of National Hero - WWII

Another thing that must be noted is that when a collective award is made the awarded class of and order is always the lowest class

Yeah I don't know what I would do without wikipedia, its very good for confirming assumtions.

Btw. Paul these photo's are really amazing, thanks a lot for showing them

I'm pretty sure the uniform is not specific to a genro since there were only 9 and his face doesn't ring a bell, ofcourse I might be very wrong

Ok here's my next guess I think this might be the uniform of a nobleman and I think that I might be correct.

Because there are five ranks Baron, Viscount, Count, Marquis and Prince....

Was that person maybe a privy councillor or maybe a government minister

I've seen the same type of uniform on pictures of people like Mochiaki Hachisuka, Keigo Kiyoura, Masayoshi Matsukata etc.

If you need any referencial material here is a site with some great photos of meiji era officials, with quite a few high ranking military figures, all in full dress uniform offcourse

http://www.ndl.go.jp/portrait/e/contents/index.html

Wow thats the first time I've seen a Breast star of the Westfalian Crown.... Truly amazing

Order of Freedom

7 awardees: Tito, Ivan Gosnjak, Koca Popovic, Kosta Nadj, Peco Dapcevic, G.K.Zhukov, L.I.Brezhnev

The highest military award of Yugoslavia, founded on June, 12th, 1945

It was awarded to commanders of the largest army units and for a skilful management of armies and an outstanding courage.

Material: Gold, rubies (45), enamel, brilliants (61) ? 6 mm largest size, others - 3 mm.

Price: UNKNOWN - None known in private collections

You might find this interesting, my grandfather who was an avid collector of orders and medals managed to get a price of 120,000 german marks for Ivan Gosnjak's Order of Freedom from his widow but did not have the money to buy it at the time. That was in the late 70's early 80's