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Gents,

Attached some photos of a nice medal, which is recently for sale.

Sorry for the creepy photos, which are taken from the source.

BR, Chris

You got me :

Sorry, misunderstood.

This star was sold a looong time ago

By the way, its current owner is GMIC member

...who gave it to an auction house?

Doc for "Visit" also has two variations

Repeat after me "ich habe mich in der Gewalt, ich habe mich in der Gewalt, ..."

...any ideas, why/when there was any changes in the medal itself? E.g. fat vs. slim dove-version?

BR, Chris

Oh no! Again, variation I need to look for...

Thanks, Nick!

@Mickey

A lovely group; with the indeed very low award number of 8141 a nice catch!

@Nick

Can you show a comparison between these two variations?

BR, Chris

...another one for our gallery!
BR, Chris

...another one for our gallery!

BR, Chris

... Considering a ribbon-less one was on YJA! not selling.....

Do you mean the one from post no. 30 (this thread)? -

I met the seller and know, that he sold this medal.

Well, we call it “free enterprise economy”: you never know who is looking where for what item…!

BR, Chris

@Nick: well, the items I’m looking for are not available this time…

Gents,

Are there any list of results as download available?

What happend to the unsold pieces? Will they be part of the following auction?

BR, Chris

Always welcome!

I contacted the P&O heritage archive in London. Here is what they replied to me:

“Dear Christian,

Thank you for your enquiry to the P&O Heritage Collection. In answer to your query regarding William Davidson Mudie, I am afraid I can not find a photograph of him in our collection. However we do have an archive file related to the Thibet, which could possibly have information about the incident or possibly some kind of image or photograph. Unfortunately our archives are held the other side of London at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich and we do not visit there often. If you were in London you could maybe visit them yourself? You can order documents online at http://www.poheritage.com/our-archive/research-guides/passengers/po-archives-at-national-maritime-museum and you would need to look up the following record:

P&O/65/344 Ships (Individual Vessels) - THIBET (1874) Miscellaneous Material

I’m afraid is undated so there would be no guarantee that it would have the information you are looking for but it is the only document that we have relating to P&Os Thibet.

[…]”

and further on:

“[…] Further to my previous email, you could also try searching records at the National Archives online as they have records for Merchant seamen, including officers and masters and as he received a medal (although from the Japanese government) it may be recorded?:

Records of the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen and successor 1845-1906 BT 122

Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Registers of Certificates of Competency, Masters and Mates, Foreign Trade

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/browse/C3160?v=r”

Although I wish I could do so, I’m sorry to say that ’m not planning to go to London these days…

But I’m very curious to see Cpt. Mudies face…

Br, Chris

…at least, I can offer some information about the Thibet. Hopefully, I can add some pictures of the Thibet and maybe our captain Mudie:

Type: Passenger liner

P&O Group service: 1874-1895

P&O Group status: Owned by parent company

Registered owners,

managers + operators: The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company

Builders: Gourlay Brothers & Co

Yard: Dundee/UK

Yard number: 62

Registry: London, UK

Official number: 70628

Signal letters: NLMT

Gross tonnage: 2,593 grt

Net tonnage: 1,671 nrt

Deadweight: 2,211 tons

Length: 109.69 m (360.0 ft)

Breadth: 11.03 m (36.2 ft)

Depth: 8.20 m (29.9 ft)

Draught: 6.499 m (21 ft 4 in)

Construction: Iron

Engines: Compound inverted direct-acting steam engines

Engine builders: Gourlay Brothers & Co

Works: Dundee/UK

Power: 2,016 ihp

Propulsion: Single screw

Speed: 11 knots

Passenger capacity: 59 first class, 24 second class

Cargo capacity: 3,062 cubic metres (108,150 cubic feet)

Employment: Indian service

Career:

Purchased on the stocks.

29 Aug 1874 Launched

01 Oct 1874 Registered

03 Oct 1874 Ran trials and handed over as Thibet for The P & O Steam Navigation Company

12 Oct 1874 Maiden voyage London/Bombay

1875 Employed as a transport during the expedition to relieve the Soudanese garrisons, carrying 1,500 officers and men from Suez to Souakim

1876 Re-registered in Dundee/UK

28 Jan 1884 Called at Plymouth to repair steering gear

22 May 1884 Re-measured. Passenger capacity now 53 first class and 24 second class; Cargo capacity 3,143 cubic metres (111,012 cubic feet)

1885 Fitted with new boilers

22 Jun 1887 Hit a rock en route from Yokohama to Hong Kong; The pilot took a non-standard course but the Commander was reprimanded

Feb 1890 Converted at Bombay to a cargo liner for the Japan service; Cargo capacity 4,327 cubic metres (152,837 cubic feet)

Apr 1895 Sold for £8,500 to Hajee Cassum Joosub, Bombay

Nov 1896 Renamed “Cashmere”

Aug 1898 Sold to shipbreakers at Bombay

Source: http://www.poheritage.com/Content/Mimsy/Media/factsheet/94712THIBET-1874pdf.pdf

Taken on: 25 June 2013

BR, Chris

Phantastic item! Thanks for sharing!

Are there any documents, pictures, etc.?

Well – “viel Feind, viel Ehr’!” and I can live with it!

Seriously, I don’t understand why there were so less critical questions from the world wide community about Peterson?! Seems like everybody is just taking all information without double-checking it or simply look for (alternative) sources…

To make it right, I am not blaming anybody and I don't want to throw the first stone. But honestly, are there no critical voices out there? Or do I simply overlooked some public discourse?

What we have here is another first-rate mystery

Or simply spoken just a copy, which Peterson was looking at?

Honestly, I don't belive in any "two prototypes" for the bar. If so, there should be some more bars with the changed writting direction somewhere out there

Dude its not "according to Morton&Eden"

This number came from Peterson

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Ok, I should had mentioned: according to Morton & Eden auction describtion, which is based on Peterson's published information.

Where?

P.S. Very crappy photos ... very high prices

Japanese dealer "jp military"

Happy saving up for it

Number one is too expensive for you guys? Don't worry, here is Number two for 850,000 Yen:

I found two more authentic medals (without ribbon).

You can have number one for the peanuts of 1,200,000 Yen.

So currently there are three different pieces with "authentic" ribbon known (excluding the one from Peterson)?

While the remaining pieces of 9,997 medals (according to Morton & Eden info) are "somewhere" - what do we know about the (quantity) of the ribbon? Were the medals stored at the Osaka mint together with the ribbon? Adjusted?...

An intersting topic with a lot of questionmark...

BR, Chris