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Hello Chris,

a very nice Leiberring. Were you able to find the winner, based on the number ?

The ring was awarded to soldiers of the Bavarian Infanterie Leib Regiment, for two years service at the front.

cheers Andreas

Hello,

I have found him. Wild Eugen, born 30.9.1878 in Munich, salesman, married, 1 child. Einjährig Freiwilliger.

He was Unteroffizier der Landwehr 2. Reserve-Fußartillerie Regiment (Metz), he moved to the 1. bay Reserve Fuß Artillerie on the 5th August 1914.

He died on the 30. August 1914 in Frambois.

Your date, the 16th september, is the date of the missinglist.

Sorry, but I have no answer to your question about the higher comands. My knowledge about military formations is very modest.

Look at the autograph, it's Hugo Meiler !

regards Andreas

Hello,

it is very difficult.

In ancestry database I will find the 6th battery and the 8th, but not the 7th.

I will take a look in my books at home.

regards Andreas

Hi,

here are some helpful things, for bigger wounds.

I've visitet a exhibition in Bad Kissingen about their hospitals 1866 - 1945

http://www.badkissingen.de/de/stadt/kultur/museen/ausstellungen/index.html?_shc=0%2BjK0ePh0ZiapKWl

Thanks Andreas and Paul

Yes, it was a lot of help, actually I did not know this variety of Red Cross Medal. I now have to evaluate better.

Can I then assume that it is not as common as well?

Lambert

Hello Lambert,

this cross was given for 20 years of duty in the bavarian red cross. I have no numbers, bur this cross is not rare.

@ Paul you are not a "Dickkopf", your suspicion was right.

regards Andreas

Hello,

he was born 1.2.1854 and startet in the army 1870. He died 17.101916 in a hospital in Metz.

Ancestry shows a bavarian MVK 2 with crown and swords.

On your picture might be a earlier MVK without crown.

Please, show us a bigger picture of the bar.

He got the silver medal for the war 1870 (non combattant)

regtards Andreas

Hello,

this cross belongs to the bavarian Red Cross between the two wars.

The ribbon is blue with two white stripes.

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.richardajordan.com%2FRed_Cross%2FGraphics%2Fbavaria03a.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.richardajordan.com%2FRed_Cross%2FBavariaRedCross.html&h=300&w=157&tbnid=0gOPIHP7Ld8CBM%3A&zoom=1&docid=9JZWY_S9032ENM&ei=wdz9U9DHNuu_ygOIvYHYCQ&tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=1382&page=4&start=104&ndsp=37&ved=0CCEQrQMwCThk

regards Andreas

Hello,

I couldn't find him at ancestry. Müller is a very widespread name, like Smith or Jones.
There are several Karl ( Carl) Müller listed at the pages of 12. FAR and 12 Reserve FAR.

He was member of a Ersatzbatterie.

Possibly, after becomming officer, he go to another unit.

sorry

Andreas

Hello,

he send greetings to his wife. He became an officer on the 18.3.17 an he hope the officer's papers would be sent to his hometown.

Hello,

here are the dates of the book "Ruhmeshalle der Alten Armee".

The 12. bavarian Field-Artillerie-Regiment was foundet on 1.10.1901, its base was Landau/Pfalz.

This regiment belong to the 3. bayr. Infantry division during wartime.

Here ist the list of fighting of the 3. ID,

regards Andreas

Hi Pierce,

Ok, so they are the same medal, just one has swords.....

Thanks a lot

Matt.

Hi,

another difference was the ribbon.

The 4th class without has a white ribbon with blue stripes (Friedensband /pre war) and the 4.th class with swords was a white ribbon with blue stripes and small black stripes outside (Kriegsband).

Cheers Andreas

Hello Lambert,

I have no suspicions about this MVK. It is a Hemmerle second class with crown and swords.

It was awarded to an official, because the ribbon is for "Kriegsverdienst". The bar looks like prussian, because the prussian service medal. Possibly a bavarian official in prussian army. Or a prussian official who was decorated by the bavarian Kingdom.

Hello,

I don't know the year of manufacturing, but the sign is the manufacturer Zwilling/Solingen.

Zwilling=twins ( you will see two people in the sign).

regards Andreas

Hi Andreas,

can you date my GH from the pics?

Thanks

Chris

Hello Chris,

it is a Hemmerle with golden medaillons from 1915/1916.

Can you read the number on the agraffe 950 or 980.

Cheers Andreas

Hello,

here another example,

Leser silver gold-plated medaillons (1916).

This type exist also with golden medaillons.

Also Weiss

Leser is very beautiful

Hi Chris,

there are no worse MVO's, they are all beautiful.

Look her are four variations of Hemmerle with golden medaillons and silver gilt medaillons.

Hello Andy,

the two certificates for the cross are allright. The right certificate ist for the award and the left is a dokument for the return of the cross to the Ordenskanzlei, after the death of the winner. All MVO and MVK's had a obligation to return after the death of the owner.

It is correct, after war, he was an official at the german customs.

Hi Guys,

What does everyone think about this MVK 1st Kl. with Crown and Swords

http://www.emedals.com/highlighted-offerings/germany/german-states/bavaria/orders/order-of-military-merit/a-bavarian-1st-class-mvk-with-crown-swords-case-of-issue-g13350

Hello,

the box is for a second class crown swords.

This cross was not awarded during WW1.

Only Hemmerle and Leser built crosses in this rank.

Deschler produces only second and third classes during WW1.

For me it is a fake.

Andreas

Hello Don,

there is a winner of the golden braverymedal:

Karl Frankl, 10. Feb. 1888.

Mauern/Oberpfalz

Gefreiter der Reserve

2. Kompanie, 25. bayerisches Infanterieregiment

date of the fight for the winning of the golden medal 6.10.15

He also got the EK2 and the black woundet badge.

Regards Andreas

Hi,

Does anyone know if the records of this association still exist?

Was it formed in 1913?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bayern-Originaler-Ausweis-des-Ordens-der-bayerischen-Tapferkeitsmedaille-/221434258733?pt=Militaria&hash=item338e82a52d

Hello Chris,

I have never heared about this association before WW1, but it might be possible. The bravery-medal was awarded since 1792.

Possibly for the owners of the 1866 and 1870war.

This ebay card is ok, the golden braverymedal is a post-war production.

cheers Andreas

Hello,

here can you read all the pages of the "Bayerns Goldenes Ehrenbuch".

http://wiki-commons.genealogy.net/w/index.php?title=Datei%3ABayerns_goldenes_Ehrenbuch_1914-1918.djvu&page=3

regards Andreas

Hello,

another book is "Virtuti Pro Patria" printet in 1966 and contends all owners of WW1 with her dates and doings .

http://www.zvab.com/basicSearch.do?anyWords=Virtuti+pro+patria&author=&title=&check_sn=on

regards Andreas

Hello Glen,

I think you are looking for this book.

http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/auktionshaus-andreas-thies-e-k/catalogue-id-2884280/lot-17789353
The original is very seldom and expensive. I am also looking for it.

Here a link about different owners
http://de.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dewiki/958848