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Hello to all,

a lot of users in this CMIC-forum own bavarian MVK's.

I want to give all MVK-collectors some pictures to see the differences between the five producers of MVK during wartime-models.

To show all variants is not possible for me, because i don't know all variants, but I want to show the main variants.

All the variants are third classes with swords.from my collection.

Lets start with Leser.

Leser has three variants. It differs in the ringholder and the swordsquillons.

You see from left to right Typ 1 (1914), Type 2 (- 1916) and Typ 3.

Leser produces all classes of the MVK.

Regards Andreas

that would be amazing! He is not a member of this forum?

Hello David,

my firend is not a member in this forum. He sent me 15 pages about Haynau. It will take a little bit time for me to translate this pages.

Haynau was awarded with the Militär-Ehrenzeichen in 1805. This time bavaria was a Kurfürstentum, not a kingdom.

Bavaria became Kingdom in 1806. Haynaus Militär-Ehrenzeichen was changed into the new MMJO.

Here the first sites.

Regards Andreas

Hello david,

I have to ask my collectors colleague, he is owner of the Schrettinger-book, which listed all MMJO owners since beginning.

Regards Andreas

Hello,

here is my litle napoleonic collection.

The cross with the square cross-arms was awarded to the bavarian veterans, which fought with Napoleon till 1813. King Maximilian II foundet this cross 1848.

I miss this cross in the veterans box. Possibly he died before 1848.

The cross with the round arms was given 1815 to the bavarian veterans which fought against Napoleon.

The round coins are prussian Medals.

What do you think about the ribbon of the St. Helena medal, is it a original ribbon?

Regards Andreas

Hi Andreas, i thought ones of the above ones i showed above had the swords from one company and medal from another?

Hello Chris,

that was a MVK 3. class with crown and swords. The cross was Hemmerle, the swords Deschler.

You said, it belongs to a bar or to a konvolut.

The last pictures are two MVK with swords from Deschler and one MVK crown/swords from Weiss

I think i have to visit you again, to find the mixed cross.

Regards Andreas

Hello,

thanks for this wonderful threat.

Last year, I've bought one of these medals, because some bavarian soldiers were awarded with this medal.

Has anyone papers from a german or bavarian owner?

Regards Andreas

part 2

Hello,

here my newest entrys.

Hemmerle second and third class with swords, third model, early type (1914).

That were the first models of the 1914 type. The swords are bigger than the following models.

The box of the silver cross has the size like the box of MVO.

The third class is placed in a regular box.

Regards Andreas

Hello,

thanks for this pages.

In my collection is an prussian bar with a MVK 1. class on it.

Possible, the owner was a soldier in such a prussian troop with bavarian owner, or it was an bavarian inhabitant in a prussian troop.

Regards Andreas

and a Franco/Prussian/1866 veterans bar @ 1900. Note the unusual Centennial medal.

Hello Ulsterman,

the 1871-medal is made of steel. It was for a non-combattant.

Regards Andreas

This bar I bought for three weeks.

A late bavarian MVK, war-metal with iron swords, made by Deschler. The EK is marked "G" for Godet.

A honorable bar for a brave soldier. I like this kind of bars very much.

regards Andreas

Here a nice bar of a Landwehroffizier.

König-Ludwig-Kreuz and servicemedal first class bavarian Landwehr ( 20 years).

The Landwehr-servicemedal was returnable, so it is a rare decoration made of silver.

This officer was a non-combattant.

Regards Andreas

My first bavarian bar of a Vizefeldwebel and I like it very much.

MVK 2.class from Hemmerle, EK II, Jubileemedal, servicemedal 15 years.

Regards Andreas

Hello,

here a bar for a China-veteran. The bar was built in the thirties. The EK is a post-war model, as well the chinamedal. The servicemedal ist for 12 years and the MVK is a type 2 model from the manufacturer Lauer.

regards Andreas

Hello,

here a bavarian official bar.

Luitpoldkreuz for 40 years of service (1911), war medal 1871, servicemedal Landwehr, Centenarmedaillie.

The ribbons are in a very good condition. The medals were "polished" by a earlier collector.

Regards Andreas

Hello,

in wartime, the manufacturer Deschler produces only second and third class MVK. In the thirties, there was a great demand for decorations from the WW I. After awarding the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer FEK, a lot of bars had be rebuilt.

The decorations from several veterans associations were replaced with the FEK. So we find a lot of bars, made in the thirties. The bar with the two MVK's has also the FEK.

Deschler produces after WWI a lot of pins and decorations, Other manufacturers were Steinhauer&Lück, Godet and Sedlazek.

Regards Andreas

These are all sewn down so tightly to prevent clinking around that I cannot slither the M1905 MVK2X out from under the M1913 MVK1X for a "full on" shot. This is the best I can do:

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The M1905 is all real silver, not the later wartime M1913 version's alloy, and completely unenamelled. The obverse cipher and reverse lion are separate pieces just like the Order classes. The backs of the M1905 swords are flat. I can find no makers marks. It appears that rather than the 'donut" nut used to secure wartime threaded swords, there is some sort of a larger "X" shaped silver piece that holds the swords on the M1905, but that is obscured under the very tightly sewn down suspension rings under the divide in the two halves of furled ribbon. [attachmentid=22459]

Hello,

nice reunion.

The second class looks very good. The veteran was an bavarian in prussian army for long time (prussian service cross 15 years) and fought in SW-Africa.

So he was allowed to fix swords on his MVK. Possibly he got the first class and the EK for fighting in the colonies at WW1, too.

The first class is a post-war-production. Deschler haven't made the first class at wartime.

Regards Andreas

Here's one with a nice Godet tailor's label.

Hello,

the decorations are the originals. Only the bar ist manufactured by Godet.

why is the EK and the MVK in such a bad state?

The ribbons look quite good.

The MVK is a late second class from the manufacturer Leser.

Regards Andreas

Hello Chris,

both are from the manufacturer Deschler. The MVK with crown is marked on the backside of the swordblade. You will see a little "D".

I'm able to show you the 5 different manufacturers, and their variants, but give me a little bit time.

Regards Andreas

Here is a nice rare one....

Is it 1st class with crown without swords?

Hello Chris,

nice picture from a "Offiziersstellvertreter" . The cross without swords was awarded till 1915.

I'm not sure if it is a first or a second class.

You see the ribbon for non-combattants (Band für Kriegsverdienst).

Since 1915 the decoration was awardes only with swords. Owner of swordless crosses are allowed to put on the swords .

Regards Andreas

I have these.....

Hello,

sorry, but your bravery-medal is a post-war-medal.

I've got a bar without bravery-medal an I've added the same kind as you on it.

For example, my regular medal. The portrait is detailt and the medal is not so heavy.

Look on lion's crown, the original has a square and the copy a round shape.

Regards Andreas

Has this one been checked by the Bavarian gurus?!

Sorry,

but this first class is a fake. The cross is the latest variant of the producer Leser.

This class was only produced by the first variant.

About 150 crosses in this class had been awarded. Most go to officials in the bavarian Ministry of War. It was awarded with another ribbon for noncombattants. About 7 - 10 crosses were awarded with the combattant-ribbon like yours.

Here the tree kinds of MVK-ribbons

first ribbon till 1913.

second ribbon for combattants

third ribbon for non-combattants and military officials.

regards Andreas

Hello,

Böhning was a student for philosophy in Erlangen (Bavaria). As an volunteer he join the bavarian army.

He made a brilliant career. First volunteer in the artillery to a Flight Lieutenant.

Look at the pictures and see his victories.

By the way, he got the Bremer Hanseatenkreuz, because his homecountry was Bremen.

Regards Andreas

Hessisch? Das bedeutet mildernde Umstände. ;o))

Da ich gerade an der Grenze zu Hessen wohne, habe ich da keine Berührungsängste . Da tue ich mir im bayerischen Wald schon viel schwerer.

Gruß Andreas

I believe this medal bar to be a fake, based on the gold baden merit medal and the bavaria cross, which has the belt buckle fully enamelled. Any opinions?

Matthew

Hello,

the bavarian MVK 2. class crown and swords is manufactuerd bei Godet for private trading.

Godet produced this decorations since the first worldwar, but that are no official decorations.

Regards Andreas