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Hi,nice looking kukri looks to be and original piece . I have picked up a couple but both newer but nice. Man you could cut your head off with that. Best,Ray

I don't have one in my collection but I do agree with Paul that it is genuine.

When you say you got "took" are you saying that you paid too much?

Nice specimen regardless of price.

Regards

Brian

Hello Brian,yes i paid several hundred dollars,however i do believe i was set up on this with the person bidding against me. They have not sent it to me and i am wondering if i will even pay for it. I have never run into something like this and am having a hard time arguing with myself.but its up to me and i will do whats right in the long run.Ray

Emilio,I owe you a dept of gratitude or at least a beer. The person who sold me this medal insisted it was right until i went to ebay with proof then it was send it back return money. I really hope i run into you someday so i can pay you that beer or whatever. Again this forum is tops and of corse the people in it thank you. Best,Ray

Hi Ray; Sorry for my poor english. Images are a better explanation.

See the diference between the two crowns. The red medal with a tipical Franco era crown (1938-1977) and the white one, same as yours with a King Juan Carlos I first era crown (1979 - 1989).

Regards.

Emilio

Ok,wow i did not realize ,so the guy who sold me this either does not know what he is doing or he is untruthful-nice word.what do you think as i told him it was wrong and he got all bent out of shape and insisted it was right.best,Ray

Hi Ray;

You can see it in the crown of the medal.

Franco era crown was an open crown (imperial crown) and your medal has a close crown (royal crown) .

This tipical crown has been used by the spanish manufacturers from 1979 till end of 80s.

Best Regards.

Emilio

Hi,it may look like a closed crown in the photo but it is open believe me very open. Ray

I do not use to clean sashes but this is not a spanish civil war medal but an early Juan Carlos I era around 1980.

Best Regards.

Hello,can you tell me where i can see that it is what you say? thanks,Ray

I am interested in finding out how to clean the sash it arrived a little dirty and i wish to clean it but am afraid of the red washing into the white. Does anyone have suggestions? I do not want to destroy it. thanks in advance,Rayhttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2014/post-16073-0-16201400-1406331093.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2014/post-16073-0-74306600-1406331173.jpg

Well i guess i got took on this oh well can't win them all. I wonder how many of these there are anywon know?

Dear Ray,

It is a commemorative medal (either in silver of lead alloy can't tell from the photo) to commemorate the silver Jubilee of Man Singh II, Maharajah of Jaipur, 1947, the obverse die is identical to that used for the official presentation medal. I have no reason to believe that it is a fake.

Paul

Hello Paul the medal is silver but that is about the extent of my knowledge. Would you or anyone have an idea of worth? Best,Ray

gongz - thankyou for your help to Ray11. This willingness to help a member is what binds members of GMIC together. Mervyn

Mervyn you have said a mouthful and as i said somewhere else on this forum this forum is the best place because of the people. Gongz thank you AGAIN for your complete or close explanation. One question is information for the Australian services like this also or is it different? Best,Ray

Acquired a metal,want to know what the experts think? did i screw myself or not?

One has to know about something in order to use it and i am dumb. much to learn and much happiness to you. one thing how do you access it without your link? is there a place to sign up? as i have a few other New Zealand medals. Many thanks I believe this why so far this is my favorite forum . yea that does not sound right. oh well. best,Ray

This could be him....

KAY, William, Major, 23/3, New Zealand Rifle Brigade. (L.G.) KB'19 O.B.E. Mil

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Could you elaborate a bit? as i don't get it.Ray

]Well i will try once again sorry it took so long,Ray hope these are better as i can't see s--- anyway well i guess i can't. when i can figure this out i will repost,till then. Well Mervyn I do hope you can read these i know the others sucked but these are not great and i scanned them and then changed to jpeg so i do hope there ok. best,Ray

The curse of collecting medals from Bahawalpur is that they are often offered without ribbon, and no one seems to know where to find replacements. The other caveat is that apparently there was a firm in England (somewhere in the North?) which was counterfeiting some of these medals. In my youth and innocence , I bought a couple of these, which came with lovely new ribbons which match the descriptions in McGlenahan's book. There was a thread about them here some years ago, but I don't think the seller was identified. Perhaps someone will be able to resurrect it. Perhaps it might lead you to a source for ribbon. Good luck.

Hugh

Hugh if you know would you please post what transt.cps. means? thanks,Ray

So perhaps this should have gone in to the south Asia thread . maybe one of the moderators would be good to put it there if thats the case. thank you,Ray

The curse of collecting medals from Bahawalpur is that they are often offered without ribbon, and no one seems to know where to find replacements. The other caveat is that apparently there was a firm in England (somewhere in the North?) which was counterfeiting some of these medals. In my youth and innocence , I bought a couple of these, which came with lovely new ribbons which match the descriptions in McGlenahan's book. There was a thread about them here some years ago, but I don't think the seller was identified. Perhaps someone will be able to resurrect it. Perhaps it might lead you to a source for ribbon. Good luck.

Hugh

Well all i can say is you are a powerhouse of information as are a couple of other people in this great forum. Best,Ray

This looks to me like the Bahawalpur Northwest Frontier Medal 1914-1919 - Item 15 under Bahawalpur section of Tony McGlenaghan's book, Indian Princely Medals, (p. 33). Bahawalpur is indeed an Indian princely state which opted to join Pakistan at the time of Partition. It border on the Indian state of Rajahstan. I've been there once for tank exercises with the Army. VERY hot.

Quoting from McGlenaghan, it is also "referred to "...as North West Frontier Medal 1914-1918, Frontier Service 1914-1920 and Indian Frontier Medal 1914-19." The obverse is the Type 3 bust of the young Sadiq Muhammed Khan V in full dress military uniform without headdress. The English translation of the inscription is said to be, "By the Grace of God Sadiq Muhammed Abassi Fifth. Ruler of God Gifted Kingdom of Bahawalpur". Size should be 37mm. The medal is known in both gilt medal and bronze; it is unknown whether a silver version exists. McGlenahan does not give a translation of the inscription on the reverse side, which has a mounted sowar as shown in your image. The 26mm ribbon is pale pink with a 2.5mm pale blue stripes edged with a fine black line 2.5mm from each edge. The medal was designed by Spink. Naming is impressed in capitals.

Thanks to Mr. McGlenahan for his data.

Does this correspond with your medal?

Yes it sure does and thank you a whole bunch for that. Any idea where one may find such a ribbon?I must try to find that book.and again thanks.Ray

I just noticed that it says Spink London on the second photo that must mean something i would think,no?Ray

1896-1954 Auckland,New Zealand residence. MAJOR WM. KAY. 3rd (AUCK) REGT. C.R.O.(1919) any other medals? I have most info which i have not looked into yet but if anyone has other medals of his they would be willing to sell i would be forever grateful. Thank you,Ray Oh yes I have his Long and efficient service medal but that is all. will update as to other medals he should have received an soon as i can.

Looking for information on a medal called1914-1919 BAHAWALPUR CAMEL FORCE MEDAL AWARDED TO 784.NAICK MOHAMMAD SHAH BAHWLP and it says transt.cps. any info would be help full thanks,Ray

Hello,just to say that if someone like me with no knowledge of Japanese medals were looking to buy one of these i would or could get badly burned and i have a feeling that no one IE ebay would give a ---- yes. So just saying try to know what you are doing before you buy. I believe I have been lucky in that i only buy from people who seem to be honest and most are honest, only takes one bad apple to screw things up. Hope I am not to boring I just had to vent. Best to all,Ray

Hello Mike, yea you have a few about 4 to 5 times what I have but I do believe this is a disease and I have caught it completely . Someday I will post my collection,once I have it sorted.Best,Ray

Yes I have the medal but no box and many medals to soldiers in south africa during the boer war. I just need to catalog them so I know what i have. Thou it has nothing to do with this subject directly I thought i might stick my swagger stick I got some time ago. I need someone with better eyes than me to read it. hope you find this a little interesting . best,Ray

Hello, something I found on ebay recently I thought might fit in here. Best,Ray