Gordon Craig

chechaco 1,

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The 17th Division was one of the most mixed divisions of the German army, formed by merging the contingents of Hanseatic cities with the contingents of the Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg.  The 33rd Infantry Brigade of the division consisted of contingents from Hamburg and Bremen (and until the formation of the 162nd Infantry Regiment in 1897 - the Lubeck Regiment).
The 34th Infantry Brigade of the division (Grand Duke of Mecklenburg) consisted of the infantry contingents of the Great Principalities of Mecklenburg-Schwerin and Mecklenburg-Strelitz.
The Divisional Cavalry Brigade was the 17th (Grand Duke of Mecklenburg) Cavalry Brigade with two Dragoon regiments from Mecklenburg-Schwerin and at various times in its history attached to the Prussian cavalry.
The 17th Artillery Brigade consisted of a regiment from Holstein and a regiment from the two great principalities of Mecklenburg.

No. 34. Infantry brigade.
 Mecklenburg Grenadier Regiment No. 89 (1668 people (in 1914), 204 killed in the Franco-Prussian War)
 Mecklenburg Fuselian Regiment No.  90 (1694 people in 1870, 300 dead) 10/01/1867
 Mecklenburgisches Jäger-Bataillon Nr.  14 (794 people in 1870, 66 dead)
 cavalry brigade:
 1. Mecklenburgisches Dragon-Regiment Nr.  17 (655 people in 1870, 25 dead)
 2. Mecklenburgisches Dragoner-Regiment Nr.  18 (634 in 1870, 27 dead)
Mecklenburgisches Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr.  60 (four batteries of 200 people each).

In total, through complex arithmetic calculations, we find out that 5650 soldiers from Mecklenburg survived.

How many awards were there?
Science does not know this, science is not yet aware of the situation.
If absolutely everyone was awarded, then 5650 crosses of both classes.
Well, if, by analogy with the Prussian Iron Cross of 1870, the German army received 47,600 crosses for one and a half million, this is every 30th.
Well, then the crosses were made there.

Divide 5650 by 30, and we get 188 Mecklenburg crosses of both classes with the date 1870.
That is, they made no more than one cross, but hardly more than five and a half thousand.

For example, the Mecklenburg-Strelitz crosses were awarded on the battle ribbon in total 269.
However, the Mecklenburg-Strelitz crosses were much less common than the Mecklenburg-Schwerin crosses in the First World War.
So, maybe the proportion is the same here.
What I don't know.

5 hours ago, johannis said:

Hello Gordon.
The book is in greek was printed in 2012 and had an edition of 500 pieces.
The title is "Το Ταγμα Των Ορθοδοξων Σταυροφορων Του Παναγιου Ταφου" by
M.G. Barbounis -P.D. Rizopoulos.
Has been out of stock for a long time.
But that's not a problem, I can scan the book and email it to you.
Because, I'm for work, out of my home, until the end of next week,
I can only do that next weekend.
I contacted the author about the difference of the Emedals bagdes,
let's see what he will answer.
I found on the web an interesting variation of the Italian manufacturer S.Johnson.
Regads, Jannis.

Jannis,

Very kind of you to offer to scan the book for me.  I would be grateful for scanned copy of the book whenever you can find the time.

Regards,

Gordon

Jannis,

Interesting variations from Italy.  Thanks for posting them.

Regards,

Gordon

On 03/04/2021 at 17:18, Gordon Craig said:

Johannis,

 

A question.  I've posted two pictures from the emedals site.  One clearly belongs to the Jerusalem Order.  The other seems to be related to the Orthodox church in Greece.  Perhaps you could explain the one that appears to be connected to the Orthodox church in Geece for me?

 

Regards,

 

Gordon

 

Jannis,

Glad to hear that you have found a book that describes these awards.  Would you please tell me the title of the book and where I could buy a copy.  Perhaps I did not explain myself when I asked about the two awards pictured above.  While they are the same shape they are not the same award.  The painting in the medallion is different and one has the Jerusalem Cross in the arms while the other has two crowns and two double headed eagles.  The cross with the crowns appears to be the Order of the Orthodox Crusaders.  What is the other cross with the Jerusalem cross in the four arms?

Regards,

Gordon

Johannis,

A question.  I've posted two pictures from the emedals site.  One clearly belongs to the Jerusalem Order.  The other seems to be related to the Orthodox church in Greece.  Perhaps you could explain the one that appears to be connected to the Orthodox church in Geece for me?

Regards,

Gordon

Jannis,

Good luck in your search.  I hope that you get an answer from Jerusalem.  If you are still trying to add to your collection in this Order and have not looked at emedals I would suggest it as one source.

Regards,

Gordon

https://www.emedals.com/an-order-of-the-orthodox-crusaders-of-the-patriarchy-of-jerusalem-grand-cross 

Jannis,

Thanks for the additional information.  Your assumption that the older crosses did not have laurels and newer ones did seems reasonable.  It would also seem that the medallion was also added at a later date.  I found the following on a page in the Library of John F. Kennedy.  It is interesting to note who bestowed this Knights Cross on Jackie Kennedy.  Perhaps contacting the office in Jerusalem might help you resolve your question.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/asset-viewer/archives/JFKSG/JFKSG-MO-1963-1711-2c/JFKSG-MO-1963-1711-2c 

Regards,

Gordon

About Museum Artifact

Johannis,

An interesting question.  I would be interested in knowing the answer as well.  Since you are in Greece have you enquire of the Orthodox church about this simple cross in relationship to the one with Laurels?  Sorry for the question but I had to ask.  I've posted a picture of the cross with laurels for comparison.

Regards,

Gordon

Duncan,

It takes some expertise in using a UV-Light when trying to date/authenticate medal ribbons.  Or uniforms for that matter.  Different results will be encountered depending on the age/period of the ribbon.  Imperial, Third Reich or country.  There are a number of styles of UV-Lights and they may give different results as well.  Also, the purpose that the UV-Light was designed for.  Here is a link to a site that discusses some UV-Lights.  https://uvcanada.ca/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0oCDBhCPARIsAII3C_G4l6M_knQpPwEIcYR0gg9Ls08kPI-k5YTPsxf0Qkx0zm1hrH_ifrUaAjA9EALw_wcB 

Before buying a UV-Light I would suggest some research on these devices and talking to someone who uses one on a regular basis.  I use a fluorescent fixture with an 18 inch T8 bulb rated at 15 watts.  It suits my purposes but I have never compared it to other UV-lights someone uses for the same purpose.

Regards,

Gordon

Gentlemen,

I'd like to add a small comment here about Third Reich materials and their reaction to a UV-Light.  About mid war more synthetic materials were used in cloth used in ribbon material and some other applications.  This has led to a lot of confusion as to the accuracy of using a UV-Light to "date" a specific artifact.  The solution seems to be a lot of experience in using a UV-Light on materials from many eras.

Regards,

Gordon 

ThaiDave,

Great website and an excellent reference.  Thanks for posting the link to your site.

Regards,

Gordon

Bombarder,

Interesting display.  You are lucky to have shooting medals that can be attributed to an individual.  The unnamed medals were used by all of the shooting clubs in Germany and could be awarded in any way the club chose.  They can not be attributed to any specific event or competition unless that is indicated on the back.

Regards,

Gordon  

Utku,

I buy from emedals but like any dealer you need to study their pictures to make sure that what they have for sale is what you actually want. Their prices are high but if you wish to return an item after you receive it they are easy to deal with.  If you want comments on the crss you wish to buy from emedals why not post a link to the cross here.

Regards,

Gordon

Arnhembobby,

I only found one James Cochrane listed in the Library and Archives and it is probably not your man.  Here is the link to him at the LAC.  https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/military-medals-1812-1969/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=17294&  

I am not well versed in this medal but one way to trace those who were awarded bars for the the Fenian Raids is through their applications for the bounty paid to those who served.  This link will lead you to two applications from men who served in the Militia Regiment of Kings County Nova Scotia.  This method would only be useful if your man applied for the Bounty.

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dimcl/genealogy/fenianraidservice.html 

Regards,

Gordon

Utka,

Welcome to the  GMIC.  Like most collectors I buy what interests me and will provide me with hours of fun in the research of the artifact.  This often leads me to start a new collection on a specific artifact/area that I have not collected/researched.  This can get pricey so there are some areas of interest where I have only been able to add the less expensive artifacts.  This doesn't interfere with extensive research though.  As for finding one book that covers all aspects of one medal, that is possible but I would advise that when you decide to focus on one medal you buy as many books in this area as you can find.  There are unintentional mistakes in most books and the correct answer may be in a different book or a later edition of the same book.  Good luck in your quest for assistance.

Regards,

Gordon

Gentlemen,

If you google  this medal it comes up as being from Ecuador.  However, this medal is also awarded by Panama.  I have seen it advertised for sale as being from either country and the medal appears identical in each case.  I am researching Corvette Capitain Hector Abdelnour of the Venezuelan navy who was awarded the subject medal by Panama for his services in the City of Panama on June 25, 1959.  I would like to know if the medal issued by the two countries is different in design and if not why do Ecuador and Panama issue the same medal?

Regards,

Gordon

Dan,

As Uwe says, the difference is in the size of the cross and not in the type of fastener if that why you refer to your crosses as male and female.  The difference in the fasteners is probably related to time of manufacture and not if the cross is a male or female award.

Regards,

Gordon 

Bombarder,

I would say post war.  I've never seen a BRD post war award come in a paper bag.  This bag is quite different from the war time ones and I don't know what would have come in it.    This site has one for sale but they don't really say what it is.  https://derrittmeister.com/product/carl-poellath-kg-award-packets-bavaria/  Possibly try posting this on the BRD  sub forum on the WAF. (Wehrmacht Awards Forum)

Regards,

Gordon

Bombarder,

I have never heard of a list of names for these badges but it would certainly be interesting if there was one.

Regards,

Gordon

Good Day,

I am trying to ascertain what uniform tunic the SAC buttons in the attached photo were worn on.  The gold one on your left is flat while the gold one on the right is domed.  The gold one on the right has been polished so many times that the South African Constabulary title is just a blur and hard to read.  The silver ones were made by V&R BLAKEMORE BIRMINGHAM, the flat gold button was also made by BLAKEMORE.  The gold domed one was made by the ARMY & NAVY COOP SOCIETY LD.

Regards,

Gordon

Gentlemen,

This question has been asked in the past and answer has been that there is no known list.

Regards,

Gordon

Good morning,

I come seeking info on the Hlinka Guard and the Hlinka Transport Guard daggers.  The only picture that I have seen identifying these two daggers is on the cover of A Guide to Military Dress Daggers Volume III.  He shows two Hlinka daggers, in the scabbard, that appear to be identical.  He identifies them as Hlinka Guard and Hlinka Transport Guard daggers but does not include them in his book.  This leaves to believe that the difference between the two must be the blade but without a picture that clearly identifies the difference between the two I can not be sure.  I'd appreciate any help I can receive.  Pictures of originals of eiither dagger would be appreciated.

Regards,

Gordon

mdejong,

Two suggestions.  Better pictures of the medal would be very helpful and posting your question on the Wehrmacht Awards Forum https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/forum/wehrmacht-era-militaria/political-organizations/11648409-blood-order-collection-book-volume-two might get you an answer to your question.

Regards,

Gordon

Medic2,

Welcome to the forum. While I am familiar with the 2nd Boer War period I am unfamiliar with the term GGF.  Perhaps you could let me know what it stands for?

Regards,

Gordon

Perhaps the unhappy Poles?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poznań_protests_of_1956#:~:text=The sign reads "We demand bread!"&text=The Poznań protests of 1956,of the Polish People's Republic.

Regards,

Gordon