orden_master

Very nice picture and probably very seldom seen. I would guess that the german officer was a atachee to the embassy or something similar.

regards

Milan

I think this might be what your'e looking for

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=127423

regards

Alex K

Very nice item and seldom seen for sale, it should be the first class of firefighter order for merit

regards

Milan

Saw this on ebay, was unable to bid on it, its decribed as Yugoslavian Fire Fighters Order

Does any one have any info this order

Order of Victory

It would be an honour to show you a part of my collection under the following link :My Collection

When the first page shows up, click in the middle of the medallion from then on its all self-explanatory (its a first start I should work more on my website but ..... lack of time !)

regards

Milan

Milan, is there a place where I can see your YU Kingdom collection? I don't anything about YU Kingdom, so I'd be interested to see those beauties.

Here another of my favorite YU orders :

I know I know please do not me

But I had to focus my collection a little bit and I had a opportunity to enlarge my YU Kingdom collection with a couple of excellent beauties !

Regards

Milan

I can't believe you sold everything!

Thanks for sharing the pictures with us!

Hello

it would be nice to have the second class order too !!!

Is there anybody having this one in his collection so post the pictures PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards

Milan

Another one

Good evening Christian

I have absolutely the same opinion as you regarding the bad quality, it is a pitty to look at those orders, and I think that you have the right reason for this. Probably the dies have been saved from Zagreb but the know how of manufactury remained with the persons there. During the former periods all enamel work was done by IKOM in Belgrade was only the minting part of coins and medals.

Regards

Milan

Dear Milan,

the cases & rolls are very fine done and really beautiful, but the orders look like very bad fakes of the old communist ones .

Why did they produce that bad quality - maybe they lost IKOM-Zagreb ?

Best regards

Christian

BTW: Does any of the numerous ex-YU-states still use the old IKOM-dies ?

Hello Roeland

the order of the Yugoslav Crown is constituted in 5 classes. The first class with a breast star and sash badge, the second class having a smaller breast star and a neck badge, the third class having the neck badge only and 4th and 5th class being breast badges of smaller size.

The according sizes are as follows:

The badges for I, II and III class are 48mm across the edges of the white cross, the cross ends bear a small ball of 2.5 mm, the ball on the top cross end is 4.5 mm. Attached to the top of the cross is a green oak wreath size 17mm high and 22mm large.

The IV and V class badges are 37mm across the ends and the tips are accordingly smaller in dimension. The oak wreath is 13mm high and 22mm large.

The breast star for I class is 90mm and for second class 75, I class having a III grade badge applied on the base plate of the star and the II class bearing a 4th class badge.

The ribbons are (dark blue):

I class Sash : 105 mm

II class neck cravat: 75mm

III clacc neck cravat: 75 mm

IV class triangular folded ribbon: 40 mm

V class triangular folded ribbon: 40 mm

Hope that this is enough for beginning, will be writing more soon about some variants etc.

Best regards

Milan

PS, could someone give me the sizes of the order?

what size have the grand-cross medal and the 2nd class medal.

I noticed there are 5 classes, from which the 2nd, 3th and 4th all look like a neck cross.

What is the difference between them?

I also saw a difference between them, the 2nd class is gilt, the others aren't, is there a way to recognise them, perhaps different size?

kind regards,

Roeland

and finally the awarding document for a colonel

The avers and reverse side of the order

Christian, look at the crude work with the old dies from the order for military merit 45-91

the according box

Here we go !

This is the order for merit in the field of security and defence, 1st grade

Good evening gentlemen

yes you are absolutely right they used the dies and the ribbons, the only thing that lacked was the experince in craftmanship and manufactury of orders. See my next example how crude the work has be done. Medals from this time period are pretty OK (as seen).

For the 43-2000 period should be no problem in having access to those papers, I will tell a friend of mine who arrived at Beograd just today to look what he can find.

Regards

Milan

Dear Milan,

so, Yugoslavia during the (socialist) Milosevic-era didn't only use old dies, but also the old ribbons .

In the pinned-section I made a posting about YU-Awards during the 4 Yugoslav-Wars of the 1990s: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=159521

In my opinion the "phaleristic-language" of these orders and medals is still communist in style and appearance.

Best regards

Christian

BTW: Do you have any access to the statutes and regulations of Yugoslav Awards from 1943 to 2000 ?

Hallo Christian

good observation, it is the same ribbon as for the old medal for military virtue.

regards

Milan

Dear Milan,

isn't that ribbon from an old YU-Medal from Tito's era ?

Best regards

Christian

This is for me one of the most beautiful orders from the past WWII period

and the award document

the reverse

the avers of the medal

Hello here is another medal of the Milosevic era, the medal for merit in the field of security and defence. I will post pics of the box, the award roll, the award document and of course of the medal.

Regards

Milan

As my document is for another medal, the medal for merit in the field of defence and security I will open a new thread, please follow the other thread for the pics !

Milan

Always the same problem with me, I am not holding any of my collection items at home. I will have to pull it out of safe and scan. One of my biggest projects for one of the next vacations is to scan and pic all my collection including all boxes and documents and ... and ... and ...

oh my god I thin that this would be my project for the next couple of years

BIG sorry !

regards

Milan

PS: by the way this was my posting #100 for a "Schreibmuffel" not too bad

Always the same problem with me, I am not holding any of my collection items at home. I will have to pull it out of safe and scan. One of my biggest projects for one of the next vacations is to scan and pic all my collection including all boxes and documents and ... and ... and ...

oh my god I thin that this would be my project for the next couple of years

BIG sorry !

regards

Milan

PS: by the way this was my posting #100 for a "Schreibmuffel" not too bad

Dear Milan,

could you show us such a document ?

Best regards

Christian

Hallo Christian, Hallo Waldemar

you should see the award documents going with this medal. Veeeery big size with huge autograph of S. Milosevic.

Regards

Milan

Lieber Waldemar,

another great find .

So, your ribbon is correct and the posted one is wrong ?

The design of the medal is really cute, but dosen't appear in the YU-communist style. Is it a new medal issued during the Milosevic era of socialism ?

During that time, the government often used the old dies for orders and medals from Tito's era.

Best regards

Christian

promised

No fair you got a head start

Nice selection maybe,

when you have a day or two you will list the diffences

Kevin in Deva.

Nice grab Kevin

maybe I have a new task for you ..... searching and grabing the different varieties of this medal

here is a small example of the differnt types (by far not complete, I am also hunting and grabing wherever I can)

regards

Milan

Hallo Chaps,

As it was up for grabs, I grabbed it the Serbian Medal for Zeal.

apparently struck in silvered bronze and awarded to non-combat unit Officers for exemplary service,

the Gilded bronze version is for Combat Unit Officers. Apparently manufactured in France WW1 period.

on a dark blue triangular ribbon. The ribbon ring is a replacement though!

Now it resides under the gaze of the old Citidel in Deva.

Many thanks to Noor

Kevin in Deva

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