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Hello Gavin, hello Tom I was looking to this thread only by today and I was getting more and more curious about what will come up next as you continued the discussion. First thing the order you bought is for sure not Mr. Puric's for more than one reason. First a accompanying calling card is a very good selling performer and often used by non 100% honest dealers. Of cours they will have the accompanying text not clearly state that the order and the card have belonged to the same person. So you will never have the slightes chance to treat them as liars. Second the Sorlini production started in the late 1930ies so it would be very uncommon that he was awarded one of those production items.And to be more cruel it looks that the order you have more like a Hugunin production rather than Sorlini, the quality of the making is too good for Sorlini, the box for certain is OK. Third (the most wondering) is the answer of the Embassy people, if the have a list to look after who received or not and what orders I would be the first one amongst many other people liking to have a look at that list. Why? because this list does not exist. There was only the official bureau of orders and decorations in Belgrade keeping track of thos informations and unfortunately all of those tracks and databases have been destroyed in a fire probably on the bombing of Belgrad during the WW II and since then all data has been lost. Except for some class I and II classes as they have been published also in newspapers or military bulletins and they have been stocked and archived in other places. You did a perfect research on orders and persons but unfortunately (and I am sorry for that) you will not manage to correctly tie those things togheter as they do not belong togheter. For more pictures on Serbian orders look at my website. If I could help any further please let me know or PM me. Best regards from Switzerland Milan

Here is the same miniature from my own collection Best regards Milan

Yes they did. I posted only my own pictures.

Hi Linas sorry this was a small protection to discourage some people to have a look at my collection. You already got the correct info for entering, hope you did it already. @SasaYU Thx for helping out! hvala! regards Milan

The complexity of the order makes it almost impossible to craftmanship a copy, there are newly made "copys" which are so cheap and poor looking that you could distinguish them as copys out of an airplane. Otherwise there are no fakes or copys around, the only issue is to find a perfect preserved piece which was not too much worn. regards Milan PS: I will look if i can find a picture of one of those copys (by the way the copys are a bit smaler in size than the originals

Hello Linas your item looks good and as Emanuel said it is a Swiss made Huguenin piece of work of the Vth class of the white eagle without swords. If you like you can go and compare a little bit with the pictures on my own website. Any questions are always welcome. Enjoy collecting Serbian orders they are among the most beautiful you will see. Best regards from Switzerland Milan

Hi Iver very nice badge, it is the member of the kings senate badge give only to members of the senate. the last one I have seen was sold for 1300 EUR. Best regards Milan

Unfortunately no, or better said all items I have seen have been without numbers. The Russian type have hallmarks and the early IKOM types too. regards Milan

Hello Anatoly I have experienced same problem with differnt users and sellers on ebay and other vending sites which used direct links to my pictures. As soon as I have detected them I took the time to exchange the order pictures with all kinds of other "type" pictures which resulted in some of the vendors beeing baned from ebay and similar sites due to not conform picture material. (I have posted nude women .....). Since I have done this the number of "free" uses have been at zero with my site, I think it was more worth than writing a letter of complaint. Best regards and good luck Milan

Hello Anatoly I have experienced same problem with differnt users and sellers on ebay and other vending sites which used direct links to my pictures. As soon as I have detected them I took the time to exchange the order pictures with all kinds of other "type" pictures which resulted in some of the vendors beeing baned from ebay and similar sites due to not conform picture material. (I have posted nude women .....). Since I have done this the number of "free" uses have been at zero with my site, I think it was more worth than writing a letter of complaint. Best regards and good luck Milan

Hello Dirk same as obverse but just reversed .... Best regards Milan

Out of country work and publishing will be in Vienna (probably....)

Hello and thanks for the flowers! There is a complete book in working progress on this subject it will contain hundreds of marvelous pictures (I had the oportunity to see them all). A small part of them is out of my collection and all the 3-4 "biggest" Serbia collections from around the world will be also present with pictures. The book was supposed to be published last year but some problems arouse and my last info was that this summer it should be OK. I am hoping and waiting ....... Best regards Milan

Left Arthus-Bertrand Paris Right Huguenin Le Locle

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Sasha is correct regarding the producers listed, the chronological correct order would be: Rothe&Neffe K. Fischmeister G.A. Scheid Arthus Bertrand and there also exist red variants made by Sorlini and Huguenin Your item is a 100% Arthus Bertrand manufactury product. have a look at my website on Serbian orders Best regards Milan

Great photo the badge is from the association of war veterans of WWI, thus the picture should be definitely from the post WWI era, after 1930 as the order of the yugoslav crown was instituted on april 5 1930. Regards Milan

Thats perfect ! Yes this is also a Bertrand issue, Bertrand has two different looking realisations of the portrait of St. Sava. The present is the one of "lesser" quality than the other one. We have not been able to contribute the two different subvariants to a specific time period. Regards Milan

Nice collection Andrej75 the left box is not coresponding the order. Huguenin made no red robe items of the St. Sava order. Should be a French or Austrian made item, I would need a more detailed picture of the order itself to determine the manufacturer. The right item is a obvious French made Bertrand issue. Best regards Milan

For illustration a Lemaitre made Danilo I. order in officer class

Very nice X-mas present, congratulations for the new mmber in your collection. I do not know much about Greek orders but comparing it with Montenegro orderof Danilo I. the suspension of the crown looks absolutely the same as with Lemaitre made items of Danilo order. Huguenin has completely different "type" of suspension. Hope that this maybe could help. Best regards and a happy new year Milan

Hello Andrej75 this is the collar badge of the Order of Nemanjic (orden Nemanjica). This order was instituted on 25.4.1993 and is the third highest order of the republic of Srpska (republika Srpska). The accompanying brest star is missing. Regards Milan

Hello Sneaky as I wonder why you are concerned about this topic I assume that YOU are the seller of this wonderfully faked medal. Yes english is not my native language and as it happens there was a typing mistake. I think that I have surely seen more items of this medal than you. I have at least a comparative number of more than ten items. So I think that I can say, just from looking at pictures , if there is a high probability (near 100%) that this medal is is not genuine. The embossing of the present medal shows no wear and you can see that the gilding was done afterwards, the gilding is softening the contours of the letters (embossed) and the look "smoother" than they should. Regarding my reputation you can leave it on my own what I will do with it it is absolutely not your concern. Regards Milan

I am looking for more detailed pictures I should have. But in the mean time here is one with all thre medals from my collection. The far most right medal is the one with the "Scharf" writing. Regards Milan