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Hi Blackcowboy.

I understand, except one thing. A honorific member à la suite of a regiment had the right to wear its uniform, but which military rank? Oberst? As I knew, a German regiment had always a real Oberst, and could have a honorific Oberst (a Chef). An  à la suite member had also the rank of Oberst in the regiment?

Thanks in advance.

On 15/07/2020 at 17:38, Dave Danner said:

 

In GGR 2, the Emperor of Austria-Hungary was the Chef and the Duke of Sachsen-Meiningen was à la suite. Wartime awards of the Ehrenzeichen für Verdienst im Kriege were common, and many GGR 2 officers had more peacetime and wartime Austrian awards than anything else, in some cases more than many Austrians had. Sachsen-Meiningen's Ehrenzeichen für Verdienst im Kriege, both cross and medal, was also routinely awarded to officers and men of GR 10, whose Chef was the Duke, and GR 11, whose Chef was the Duchess (and sister to the Kaiser), as well as Saxon IR 133. Other examples include Mecklenburg-Schwerin awards to LGR 8, IR 24 and 21.bay.IR, Bavarian awards to IR 47, IR 102 and LKR 1, Württemberg awards to KR 5, IR 105 and 4.bay.IR, Austro-Hungarian awards to 13.bay.IR, FR 122, HR 16 and UR 17, Bulgarian awards to IR 72, Baden awards to IR 103, IR 126 and 8.bay.IR, Hessen-Darmstadt awards to IR 17 and 5.bay.IR, Braunschweig awards to 1.bay.SchwRR and LHR 2 (whose Chef was Ernst August's wife and the Kaiser's daughter), Reuß awards to the LGHR, JB 4 and JB 13, and Schaumburg-Lippe awards to HR 7. HR 14 received more Schaumburg-Lippe awards than HR 7, but that is because Fürst Adolf was merely à la suite to HR 7, while he actually commanded HR 14.

 

Hello Dave.

Could you explain me the difference between being Chef of a Regiment, and being à la suite? The Chef was a kind of honorific Colonel, and à la suite is not linked with a concrete grade?

Thanks for your help.

On ‎19‎/‎06‎/‎2013 at 23:15, Carol I said:

The order was established in 1917 as a war order for the medical personel. In 1938 the order was reorganised with small changes in the design of the cross and the ribbon (the addition of the gold edges characteristic to war decorations). The order was disbanded after 1947 as all the other traditional Romanian orders.

 

Yours appears to be a 1st class cross (only the 1st class of the order was enamelled) of the second type, post 1938. Congratulations!

Hello Carol.

Could you explain us what are the differences between 1917 and 1938 versions of this awards?

Thanks.

Yes, very interesting. From my point of view, the most prestigious order must be the least awarded: the Order of the Crown.

Hello friends.

The Military Order of Merit was theoretically the main military decoration of the Kingdom of Württemberg. And, after her, the Order of the Crown and the Friedrich Order.

OK Chuck. Thanks for this useful info.

Perhaps this question is too obvious or simple, but I don't quite understand:

If the Principality of Hohenzollern (Sigmaringen and Hechingen) ceased to exist as an independent state in 1850, who legally awarder the Princely Hohenzollern House Order? The former sovereing Prince (his sucesor, I mean), the Prussian Sate...?

If it was granted by the former sovereign prince, why was a legal military decoration? The princes of missing German states (Hanover, Hesse-Kassel, Nassau, mediated ancient families...) had their orders and decorations, but none was "legal" or official. Why the Princely Hohenzollern House Order itself was an official award?

Thank you very much for any answers or help.

Hello friends.

Do you know how many times the Order of the Prussian Crown was granted during World War I? I think the Order of the Red Eagle was awarded only 116 times.

This list from Wikipedia hasn't any similarity with the photo. It's just an invention.

Hi friends.

I need help on the identification of the decorations of Admiral Adolf von Trotha. As I can see:

1. Iron Cross 2nd class

2. Hohenzollern House Order Knight cross with Swords

3. Red Eagle Order with Crown and Swords. 4th or 3rd class?

4. Red Eagle Order with Crown and Swords on the Ring. 4rh or 3rd class?

5. Unknown cross pattée. Meklemburg? Oldenburg? Anhalt? Hanseatic?

6, 7 and 8: Three blurry medals. I suppose that the big last is the Káiser Wilhelm I centenary medal.

By the way, what do you think about the neck decoration under the Pour le Merite?

Hello friends.

What do you think about the breast stars on this portrait of Generaloberst Heye? I can identify Otoman Osmanieh Order and Bulgarian Military Merit Order (Grand Officer), but I don't know what is the star at the bottom. Maybe Spanish Military Merit Order?

Hi friends.

I nedd your help for the identifcation of another ribbon bar. It belongs to Generalmajor Franz Neumayr:

- Iron Cross 2nd class

- Winter Campaign Medal

- ???????

- Bavarian Military merit Cross 4th class?

- Hindenburg Cross

- Austrian Great War Commemorative Medal

- Wehrmacht Long Service Awards

- Austrian annexation medal

- ?????

- ?????

Thanks for any help.

Could be. Do you have information about this decoration?

Yer Thierry, the sixth ribbon seems to be the War Victory Cross Order from Slowakia, but I've never seen any reference about this order awarded to Steiner.

Best regards.

Dear friends do you have any idea about what Finnish awards can be seen on Felix Steiner's ribbon bar?

It's a difficult matter.

Heydrich's funeral pillow shows 7 foreing breast stars, bt the list above from AHF only mentions 5 breast star decorations.

These 7 foreing awards appear on his ribbon bar perfectly, with miniature crowns (italian awards) or rosettes.

The question is: which are these foreing breast stars?

I have no news about a prototype of time, although we currently have fantasy pieces.

If the idea of the Star of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross was reward the best general of each war, as Blücher and Hindenburg, I not understand why in 1871 Moltke was not awarded. He had already proved his brilliance also before in 1864 and 1866. It is true that received the Grand Cross of the Order Pour le Merite, but this is a very special award, given only a very short period of time, which was not sustained in subsequent wars, and can not be compared to the glory of receiving Star of the Gran Cross of the Iron Cross.

Any Breast Star of the Iron Cross was awarded on 1871, but from my point of view, the one that really deserved it was Moltke.

13 and 14 are the War Crosses of both Lippe states.

What about this pic? Big, clear and in color...

OK. As I thought, it's a republican award.

Thanks for your answer, dear Cimbineus.

The Statutes of the Iron Merit Cross were first published May 30th 1916. The Crosses were intituted by royal decree on April 1st 1916.

The iron merit crosses were created as an award for Gagisten ohne Rangklasse und Mannschaftspersonen = Military-Clerks and professions like horsekeepers officer-servants and soldiers (Infanterist, Gefreiter - the NCOs started in AH with the rank Korporal)

Two ribbons were possible ?nd awarded: Red Ribbon and War Ribbon (= bravery medal ribbon),

the statutes say that both classes crown/without crown may be worn

In the decoration system the iron merit crosses rank after the silver merit cross.

Dear Josef and friends, let me ask you some questions about this interesting decoration:

- Could be received by official, or was only intended for the troops and NCOs?

- What was its hierarchical position? Was it after or before the Bronze Bravery Medal?

- Did this award rewarded acts of courage, valor and bravery, or services on the rear? What merits a soldier had to do to win it?

Best regards and greetings.

So in summary, for enlisted, Imperial Milit?rdienstzeichen could have the following numbers: XXIV, XX, XVIII, XVI, XII, X, VIII and VI.

• XXIV - 1869-90 (no wreath); 1890-1913 (wreath)
• XX - 1913-1918 (wreath on silver medallion)
• XVIII: 1867-69 (wreath)
• XVI: 1849-67 (wreath)
• XII: 1867-69 (wreath); 1869-1913 (no wreath)
• X: 1913-18 (no wreath, silver medallion)
• VIII: 1849-67 (no wreath)
• VI: 1911-18 (no wreath)

Dear Dave and friends of GMIC. I've seen this Long Service Cross in an Austrian medal bar, and I'm a bit confused. All long service awards from Austria-Hungary that I've seen have the service years in roman numerals, not in arabic numbers. So, what can you tell me about this cross? Fake? Republic period?

Dear friends, I've found some potos of Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia/Serbia and his wife, wearing a breast star that I can't identify. In this pic we can see an unidenfificated breast star under the Grand Cross of House Karadjeorjevic Order. Which order can be?

In this second pic we can see the same order with, again, the House Karadjeorjevic Gran Cross, and maybe the Grand Cross of the White Eagle Order. Can be the White Eagle?

Thanks for any help.

Dear friends, the Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen 2nd class medal could be awarded withe the prussian black-white war-ribbon? Or only could be awarded with the red-White peacetime-ribbon?

Thanks for your answers.

Bonjour,

After research :

- Wurttembergische Silberne Hochzeitsmedaille 1911,

- Württembergische Friedrich Ordens 1. kl,

- Preussische Roten Alder Orden 4. kl,

- Österreichische Komturkreuz Franz Joseph Orden,

- Commandeur de lOrdre de la Couronne de Belgique,

- EK-II (16 octobre 1914),

- EK-I (1er janvier 1915),

- Verwundeten Abzeichen in Schwarz (1916),

- Königreich Sachsen Ritterkreuz des Albrechts Ordens 1. kl mit Schwertern,

- Wurttembergische Wilhelmskreuz ohne Schwertern,

- Wurttembergische Ritterkreuz des Militärverdienstorden,

- Wurttembergische Landwehr Dienstauszeichnung 1. kl,

- Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern,

- Herzoglichische Sachsen-Ernesticher Hauseorden Komturkreuz 1. kl mit Schwertern am Ring (1935),

- Goldenes Parteiabzeichen (30 novembre 1937),

- Goldenes Treuedienstabzeichen für 40 jahr (2 février 1938),

- Cavaliere di Gran Croce dellOrdine dei Santi Maurizio e. Lazzaro,

- Grosskreuz des Danneborg Orden mit den Brillanten Insignien u. D. Zum Grosskreuz gehörenden Ordenskette (1938),

- Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13 März 1938,

- Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1 Oktober 1938 mit Spange «Prager Burg»,

- Sonderklasse das Goldene Grosskreuz des Deutschen Adlerordens (20 avril 1939),

- KVK-II ohne Schwertern,

- KVK-I ohne Schwertern (22 septembre 1940).

Thierry

Dear Tierry, could it be Konstantin von Neurath's ribbon bar?

EK-II (16 octobre 1914)

KVK-II ohne Schwertern

Wurttembergische Ritterkreuz des Militärverdienstorden

Württembergische Friedrich Ordens 1. kl,

Königreich Sachsen Ritterkreuz des Albrechts Ordens 1. kl mit Schwertern

Wurttembergische Wilhelmskreuz ohne Schwertern,

Hindenburg Cross

Preussische Roten Alder Orden 4. kl,

Wurttembergische Silberne Hochzeitsmedaille

Austria Medal

Sudetenland Medal