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    kasle

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    1. If you put "Stepped core fake" or "Small crown fake" to search window at google, you will be loaded with tons of arguments, supporting my opinion.

      Stepped core fake is an excellent fake, must be said for the defence of your beloved dealer. It passed many COA expertises, and it also scored some appearance in "expert" books as original. Mostly before the invention of internet forums.

      Look: Here is reverse of original Prinzen EK1 cross made by Meybauer. It has (nearly) identical markings as your EK1, in similar position (it is.Meybauer´s mark, not Rothe´s as you said). Please compare the hardware - hinge and pin. It´s something totally different.

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    2. Hello,

      My opinion is that 27 mm Prinzen can be good one. Although it strongly resembles Stepped core fake, it is not from this "breed". There are a few but crucial distinctions between these. First of all, Stepped core fakes of all eras are always of 34 mm variety. Secondly, the core on genuine 27mm Prinzen is not stepped. Thirdly, reverses are completely different on originals and stepped core fakes.

      Because you can´t compare reverses, as you have one EK1 and one EK2, I am posting you obverses and reverses of Stepped core EK2s. As you can see, crown on Stepped core fake is completely different on reverse comparing to its obverse. On 27 mm period Prinzen the reverse crown is very similar to obverse crown.

      There is only one relation between this genuine and fake type. It is thought that original 27 mm Prinzen was used by fakers as model to create very convincing Stepped core fake. If you are interested in this theme, please read more in this thread:

      http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346906&page=2&highlight=EK2+Prinzen

       

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    3. Hi,
      I am sorry to say EK1 is a fake. Called Stepped core fake or Small crown fake. It is known in all EK versions from 1813 to TR.
      Stepped cores are seen on 1813 crosses, rarely also on 1870 ones. But on ww1 pieces it is total giveaway. Second red flag is to see same crown on 1813 pieces as on 1870 and 1914 ones.

      EK2 is nice original, but I can´t help you with the maker.

       

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    4. Interesting. I clearly see the difference between version on the left and common type on the right. Not only the space between the letters, but also the space between the inner circle and the bottom of letters... Also a different space around central ornament... Small acorns on the top of ornament nearly touch the inner circle on the right side version. While on left side version there is a big portion of space.

      Yours, botttom center, looks to me like left side style. If it´s really 17 mm, then it becomes even more interesting for me.

       

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    5. Thank you, Rudi.
      Some very nice pieces. I always liked chains with Japanese Order of the Rising Sun...

      But the most important (for Godet researcher) is the last chain. This design of button is very common - but only in 17 mm size. I believe your last one is very unique 20 mm size. I found this type only a few months ago and I consider it very rare. It can be clearly identified but bigger spaces between letters in J. GODET BERLIN inscription as it is on 17 mm size (for comparison, 17 mm size of same button type is on chain with Rising Sun medal).

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