spartan

On 8/21/2016 at 17:49, NavyFCO said:

I don't know who owns this Gold Star, but it looks totally fine to me, as does the certificate. 

With as much stuff as I sign on a regular basis, from signing documents in my real job to autographing books, my signature varies throughout each day depending on my level of caffeine intake (let alone alcohol!) LOL 

It's the crown jewel of my collection now.  

Hi everyone,

Thanks a lot for your replies.

Spartan

Hi everyone,

Thank you for your reply. Simply for curiosity, does anybody notice that there are at least three different styles of McDaniel's signature on the Historical Research certificate?

Sapartan

Hello,

I saw this Gold Star SN. 4832 on ebay with historical research certificate. But I noticed the signature and format on this certificate is a little different from other certificate posted on www.collectrussia.com. What do you think of this certificate or Gold Star?  Thank you.

Sapartan

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Just got reply from research, the Red Star belongs to a HSU in Winter War.

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Just got a copy from amazon.

Spartan

​Hi Rogi,

I think what we believe should based on the facts. Besides the reasons I mentioned above, another indirect reason makes me believe it is original is changing serial number from 6 digi to 5 digi doesn't make the price of a suspension type Red Banner increase much higher.

People generally make fake Gold Star, 2nd screw post Red Banner and top Soviet military orders, because the original ones are pricey. I only know two or three low serial number suspension type Red Banner exist. I don't think people would put such effort on forging a suspension type Red Banner which only worth hundreds of USD.

Spartan 

You could be absolutely correct and it could be made for a veteran who wanted to upgrade/replace his original award... or... for me, too many what ifs, as the official replacements did not (that I am aware of) have original numbers erased and new numbers replaced.  

 

I hope that you are right.  

 

Anyway, I definitely want to see the research you obtain on this number when it comes in. 

 

Regards

Paul

 I will post the search result as soon as I get it.

Best,

spartan

That is very expensive, even if real.  I think that the award has an unofficial alteration.  Who knows... the real veteran may have found this and had it renumbered to replace his, but no one will ever know.  

Dear Paul,

Yes, I realized it is expensive, won't buy the same thing again.  

But I still consider it is an official alteration after thinking it again.  First, the SN area was carefully polished and the style of engraved serial number looks similar to my Order of red star which awarded in late 1943, I don't think an ordinary people can do this. Second, there are similar examples in N. Strekalov and V. Durov's Red Banner book on page 113, the book also mentioned the purpose is exchanging the old type Red Banner (read it with Google translation  ). Third, patina of polished alteration area match other area, means the alteration has been done long time ago, probably the same period the Red Banner was produced.

Best wishes,

Spartan

The numbers look like they are executed in the same manner as I am used to seeing, but I have never seen another award number removed in this manner and reissued officially.  I would buy this as an altered award, for a very low price. 

Cost me Â£ 360   

Yes, I think the serial number is altered.

 

I see faint lines running horizontal with the numbers (arrows in red) and the makers mark is uneven in depth (yellow arrows).

 

 

The serial number is for a screw back, but there was 'reissues' given out at the end of the war for the Victory parade, (and I would assume for various other victory functions at that time) these do not have a 'D' marked on them.

 

Here is a link from another forum on the topic:

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/orders-medals-badges-decorations-corresponding-documents/confused-about-order-red-banner-26467/

 

Regards,

The numbers look like they are executed in the same manner as I am used to seeing, but I have never seen another award number removed in this manner and reissued officially.  I would buy this as an altered award, for a very low price. 

I agree.

Hello everyone,

Thank you very much for your opinion!

I am pleased to have a red banner with such low SN number which may awarded in late 1941. It's definitely for gallantry. I will try to search the archive.

Spartan

Please post some better quality pics when you can. I can't see enough detail to come up with an opinion.

 

Regards,

The number does look odd.  Can you please post some close ups of the number?  Perhaps some with different light reflections to see if there are signs of gentle removal of the first number?  I think that this number should reflect a screwback award.  I think that reissued versions have the "Duplicate" mark on them.

As Paul mentioned, plus the front of the Order looks pretty rough and a bit blurry, better pics would help a LOT

Hello everyone,

Thank you for your reply. I've received the RB today. New photos have been posted.

Seems the whole SN area is a bit sunk by polishing. If you think the SN was altered, is it by official or just for faking?

Additional information: the auctioneer mentioned this RB is from a private collection purchased in Berlin circa 1980s.

Spartan

Hello everyone,

Just got this Red banner from online biding. I know that there are similar examples of low digi suspension type RB in N. Strekalov and V. Durov's book and collectrussia had this kind of RB as well in 2013, but I still have doubt if it is just a 6 digi RB been artificially changed to 5 digi.

What do you think of this RB?

Thank you.

Nothing to worry about.

In this diapason they have this "right-wing deviation". Even mondvor specimen has number slightly displaced to the right

In fact I knew some collectors who were ready to pay extra for such eccentricities

As I said earlier - congrats!

Thank you for your reply, benefited me a lot.

Right at the bottom of the page

http://mondvor.narod.ru/OLenin3.htm

Thank you. Looks the same with mine, except the serial number on my OL is off center.

The booklet looks like an award type 8 booklet which is something like 1979 and above issue.

There are other metals that can be combined to mimic the weight of gold. not saying this isn't gold, but initially when it was posted it just seemed like a coated gild.

Do you have any other Lenin's to compare to this one, or is this your first one?

Hi Rogi

It is my first type6 OL. I have a type5 OL and its weight seems the same with this new type6 one. I can find a electronic scale for laboratory and measure their accurate weight. But I don't know how to weight the medallion without the suspension and connecting link (like collectrussia.com webpage said) because both of the connecting rings have not been cut.

Spartan

This is an odd looking set. I have never seen a number so off center and the pages and format in the orders book looks different to me. Maybe later various? This is the latest OL I have seen thus far!

Hi Paul,

The weight of this OL is normal, indicate it is made of gold. I guess no one gonna make a fake post WW2 OL with gold, because the value of a post WW2 OL is close to the value of its material. Also the luster and colour of enamel on this OL seems genuine. I can't find other ways to identify a genuine OL... I will appreciate if you could tell me some standards on it.

Regards,

Spartan

Hi all,

I've just received the Lenin #433643. It is a beautiful, flawless T6V2 Lenin.

Thank you so much for your help.

Wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Spartan

Hi JapanX,

what is your problem?

I have two of these beauties, both with the same number:

Leninorden 261969 2 x copy.jpg

And you can compare:

Leninorden Original und Kopie.jpg

Uwe

Hi Uwe,

Thanks a lot for your post. It's my first to see such good copies.

Spartan

Thank you very much for your replies.

Nick will know about this for definitive, but the rear of the Lenin almost looks like gilded brass (don't be alarmed until an expert chimes in, could be the lighting etc of the picture, plus I'm no expert ! )

You also want to double check which type of beard Lenin has, if this type is common with Pointy beard or Smooth beard etc

Be especially careful when purchasing this kind of order, lots of fakes out there so definitely a good idea asking here.

Many thanks.

Hi all,

I am interested in this type6 Lenin as it is one of the less common post-WW2 Lenins. The seller sent me some photos, but I am still not sure if it is genuine. Because I only find two other photos of Lenin in this type. Could someone give me some advice about this Lenin? Is it common that the serial number deviated to the left side?

Thank you.