Kevin R

I may be wrong, but I've always believed those tally bands were used for ceremony's only, such as Funerals or honour guards, they represent the whole Kaiserliche Marine service, not just a particular Ship.

Maybe someone else has a better explanation.

Hi,

I've just checked the Navy records and it's definitely a different Sailor, the Raymond Keith Morris who was lost on the Sydney was an Australian born Sailor from South Australia.

I hope that helps,

Kevin

we had many British Sailors serving on Australian Ships and the same in reverse, many sailors were "on loan" so yes it could be the same sailor.

Hi Paul,

You may be right, it may have just been the beer talking.

I did ask his wife many years after he died if he was in the SS, she said yes but didn't tell me what Regiment or anything else, the conversation ended.

The matter only came up again because my Daughter is doing the Family tree.

Thank you Paul, I guess it's just wait and see.... but there is no rush..

Kevin.

Thank you Hucks I will give her the information, we didn't know where to start.

I will let you know if we find anything out, even if it takes the six months.

Regards,

Kevin.

Thanks for the fast reply,

The soldier in question was my ex father in law who passed away many years ago..... I knew he had been in the Army and I once asked if he had ever seen Hitler,

he was a very heavy drinker and he told me yes he was in the SS and part of Hitlers body guard, his wife rushed in and stopped him from talking and it was never mentioned again.

Now some 40 years later my daughter wants to find out the truth about her grandfather.... he was Latvian born and his name was Boloslavs Brzeskis and his wife was German I don't know if he was telling the truth or it was the beer talking, but I do know he was a German Officer who served at the Russian front.

I can find out his birth date and I guess my eldest Daughter would now be his next of kin.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Kevin.

Hi,

Does anyone know if you can find the records of a SS Officer by name only or any German soldier of the Third Reich

Regards,

Kevin

Hi,

These type of "find" story's warm the heart, I was talking to a fellow collector who was at a gun and militaria show with his Father, he picked up a WW1 trio that was for sale, looked at the name on the rim and found it was his Grandfathers medals that were lost many decades prior.

He said the shock and excitement was so great, Dad had to sit down.

I also found a WW1 photo of my wife's Grandfather with 2 of his soldier mates on ebay, the odds of these things happening are incredible but there are story's out there...... anyone else?

Regards,

Kevin.

Hi all,

The auction was yesterday and after all the talk and anticipation the collection was passed in.

In saying that, I watched the auction for 3 days and there wasn't a lot of money about so disappointing all round I would say.....

Thank you for your interest.

Regards,

Kevin.

Peter,

Anything half decent Australian medalwise has to get an export license. If it is considered to be of national importance then the Australian government will refuse to let it out of the country. VCs GCs and other major gallantry will not get a license. I would have thought this group would be unlikely to get one. Canada has similar rules.

Paul

Thanks Paul,

I didn't know about the export licence, but I think it's a good law to have for any country, I believe anything of national importance should stay in the country of issue.

I will find out if this group is covered by the law.

Kevin.

Kevin

You should be rightfully proud of having helped get this group the recognition it surely deserves. I hope it does end up in an Australian museum. Does your government have laws to stop it going out of the country? I hope so!

Congats. on the centennial of the RAN too!

Thank you Peter, yes I am hoping they go to a museum, as you see in the next post Paul informs me that Australia does have laws about important medals leaving the country.

I don't know if this group is covered by these laws but I'll find out and let the forum know.

The Centennial was a great success, we had Prince Harry as our guest to take the salute.

I just wish you could see the other items with it.... the Navy and personal documents are in excellent condition one signed by Captain Glossop, the hand painted diagram of the battle course is in water colour and is amazing, his sword, cocked hat in it's tin with Turnbull's name on it, marriage certificate, last will and testament... a piece of shrapnel from an Emden Shell...the list goes on, just an amazing lot.

also a Group From H.Pierce ERA there is a photo of his group on the website as well, also a note book with every port that HMAS Sydney docked through out it's service and a hand written letter telling of the ship leaving tomorrow for Albany to escort Australia and New Zealand's finest who became the original ANZAC's, it's a letter that's a prelude to Australia's Military History, also a hand written account of the Sydney/ Emden battle. Harry was on the Sydney from commissioning to de- commissioning

The item numbers for the Auction are 3504 and 3505 other items that may be of interest are 3506, 3507 and 3508.

Hi Rob,

Yes the group you saw for sale in Australia is the same one as being mentioned here.

It was decided this would be the best way to sell them, the auction house put an estimate of $40,000.00 but they feel it may reach $50,000.00

we are hoping that they may end up in the Australian War Memorial or Maritime museum.

Thank you all for your interest if your interested in seeing the outcome they will be auctioned by Nobles Numismatics Auctions Sydney Australia on the 28th November 2013, you can now see the Medals on there website.

Regards,

Kevin.

^{Thanks for that information Paul, a very nice grouping, it made interesting reading.}

^{We in Australia have just celebrated our 1st centenary for our Navy, it makes you realise what a young country we are when we had visiting navies from around the world including the English and Spanish Navy who have been around for hundreds of years.}

Thank you for your replies, it is documented that in ww1 4 MSMs were awarded to sailors of the Royal Australian Navy and 2 to Royal Navy sailors serving on Australian War ships.

The distribution of the 6 MSMs were-- 3 to RAN and 2 to RN Sailors serving on HMAS Sydney during the Emden battle, and the 1 other MSM was awarded to a RAN sailor serving on a mine sweeper.

This means only 4 MSMs were awarded to the RAN in ww1 making this Medal with the Kings Bust dressed in Admirals' uniform extremely rare.

The medal has been put on hold for the moment.

Thanks for your interest.....

That's a very unfair thing to say Chris, Australian's have been dudded out of many a VC by the British that should have been awarded during the 2 world wars.

The first one to mind is Albert Jakka VC who in WW1 should have been awarded another if not 2 more Victoria Cross's for his outstanding Valour...

Then there was Capt Dacre Stoker who took his submarine AE2 through the greatly defended Dardenelles on the same day as the Gallipoli landing causing much panic to the turks....a VC for him..no

WW2 Capt Robert Rankin commanded the sloop HMAS Yarra in 1942 when he was escorting 3 merchant ships to Australia when in the distance was 3 Japanese heavy Cruisers and 2 Destroyers..Rankin ordered the 3 Merchant to scatter and run for it, did he run as well, no he turned his ship and headed straight for the enemy firing as he went trying to give the Merchants more time...of course he was blasted out of the water, Rankin going down with his ship and crew..only 13 survived.

A VC for him or any of his crew who's guns were still firing as it went down.....no and who wouldn't rubber stamp the awards...the British.

I have in my possession a WW1 Navy Meritorious Service Medal on the rim it say's "HMAS Sydney" for services during war. it also gives the sailors name. i believe only 5 of these medals were struck and were given for service during the battle with SMS Emden.

I also have his 1914-15 star British war medal and victory medal

does anyone have a clue what this medal or medals would be worth, the sailors last living relative want's to sell them but i don't know whats a fair price.

I'm hoping someone can help..thanks

This is one of my latest finds while wandering the Parisien flea markets last weekend. On the reverse it has written "Votre Ami, Claude". I am presuming Claude is the ANZAC in the photo wearing the Military Medal. Can anyone help to identify him ?

The patch is the 20th, 25th or 30th Bn i reckon it's the 20thBN the colours are white on top with the lower half red....Claude would be his first name ther is no last name Claude in the nominal roll with that patch good luck in your search

Kevin.

Thanks for the photo's Marcus,

They will be a great help to me, as i said , i will send you the photo's when they arrive........The EMDEN cap has great interest for me it was such a famous and courages ship and my Great Uncle was on HMAS SYDNEY when it destroyed the EMDEN the cap would go well in my collection with his SYDNEY items.

Regards,

Kevin.

Thanks again for your help Marcus, you have been a great help.i'm very pleased that it may be ok.....the seller is an honourable man and i would have been very dissapointed if it wasn't correct. i will wait for the photo's.

Regards,

Kevin.

I haven't seen it at the moment. it was described to me by a seller, he is going to send me some photo's before i decide to buy.

Thank you Marcus,

i'm still alittle unclear, so if i had a SMS EMDEN cap with gold letters and marked 1913 it would be ok. is that right.

Kevin.

Hi ,

Could anyone tell me if any Kaiserliche marine (imperial navy aprox 1913) tally bands of ww1 were in gold lettering. I thought they were all in silver, example SMS EMDEN.

Any information would be apreciated.

Kevin R

If he got it in 1919, I'd be surprised to see it on the MIC card.

And, while I have NO CLUE how the RAF did such things, the unit war diaries sometimes include MSM or even MiD recommendations (at least for the Indian Army). More to seek at the PRO!

I have a MSM belonging to a Engine room artificer who was on board HMAS SYDNEY when it destroyed the German Cruiser SMS EMDEN i 1914, his act of bravery was in the engine room during the battle, as he was not directly in the face of the enemy, he was awarded the MSM instead of another type bravery award.

I'm very sorry that you don't have your Grandfathers medals.

Kevin.