Gerd Becker

Hello Jani,

these are just minor problems, really nothing to worry about.

I have talked with other collectors about this and we came to the conclusion, that, concerning the Nevsky, the above mentioned theory might be the most likely.

To Lot 419: I see, you mention, that its a suspension order. I was just confused about the estimate, as i thought it was meant to be a screwback type. My bad, sorry.

Lot 426 is probably a simple reissue or duplicate, issued in 1955/56 for a lost or stolen piece. Victory Parade Issue are called only the orders, which were actually changed for the 1945 Victory Parade. But still a very desirable piece with this low number.

And i may be wrong about the 4th award Order of the Red Banner. Another collector told me yesterday, that 4th award ORB?s were observed with higher numbers, even in the 9.XXX

But all in all you did a great job with the descriptions. And there is a lot of excellent stuff to bid on.

One last point: Does the pdf-file provide bigger pictures?

best regards,

Gerd

I could not find any info on this forum for East German Hero Socialist Labor awards, i am not sure this was discussed in details.

Where can I see some stats abut DDR HSL awards:

- number awarded,

- variations,

- prices,

- pics of real awards,

- fakes

Thank you,

William

Number awarded: up to 50 a year, i couldn?t find a concrete number

prices 1500-2000 Euro, but its a while ago, that i have seen one for sale. They seem to have dissappeared.

Pictures of real awards: here is a thread of a documented HSL in the collection of Ed Haynes:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7336

Can?t help you with the other points, sorry.

best,

Gerd

It could of taken that long to track down the family

Order of Victory

OoV,

i guess, your theory is probably the most likely and the only one, i can think of. There were for sure some cases like you mention, but would they really dig out the old Type 1 Nevsky from the archives or would they issue a replacement?

The repairs imply, that the original recipient may have worn it already and maybe even converted it(ring looks weird and aren?t there traces of solder on the reverse?)

To clarify, i am not saying, this set or the document is bad, i just would like to know, how is it possible to issue a Type 1 Nevsky with an 1980ies Document (No. "И 998049", awarded 27. February 1980)? There is obviously a letter included from the Supreme Soviet to the son of the recipient. Maybe the content clears all this up?

If this is really the case and this Nevsky was taken from the archives and reissued to his son in 1980, then this is probably a very rare and historically valuable set, which will go for much more than the estimated 2000-3000 Dollar.

One last thought, shouldn?t the document be a duplicate and marked a such in this case?

Still puzzled about this set...

Gerd

What's current price for research? It's been a while since I ordered any.

William

William,

the prices are as follows:

40$ award card

15$ per citation

20$ service record

so for a single order in total 55$ or 75$, if you get the service record too.

Gerd

Gerd,

I readon here once that a lot of Soldiers after the wargot in trouble and were sent to the Gulag and there awards confiscated maybe this one was confiscated and given back to the awardes son

Order of Victory

Thats of course possible, but in 1980??? I really don?t know...

Couldn?t agree more with you and WC, Rick.

Glad to be with people, who love the HOBBY more than the Dollar

Can someone comment to the Nevsky and the Red Banner 4th award? I am very curious. The cataloge states, the Nevsky was issued to the awardee?s son, but why would they issue a Type 1 Nevsky? Only thing, i could think, of, that it was forgotten and later issued to his son, but why is the ring and the enamel repaired then, when it was never worn?

Great restauration and some thought provoking pictures, Sergey. Thanks for sharing

Gerd

Beautiful badge, Rick. When do you think, was it produced? From what i have seen so far, they used brass for these badges until the end of the 1950ies? Is that true?

Prices of Soviet awards were quite affordable up until 2003-2004, then they went to become insane...

I agree. Normal suspension Red Banners are at 200 Dollar now I mean, it may be nice, if you collect for the investment, but i would rather want, that this stuff is worth nothing and i could have as much as i like of it. For someone like me, who spends maybe 3000 Dollar a year for the collection(maybe 1000 $ of this sum for research), the higher orders are unaffordable, except you are able to constrict yourself to buy one order a year.

Nice collection, keep the good thing going.

William

William, thanks a lot. I?m glad, you like it.

Gerd

I forgot one thing. I am very sceptical about the originality of Lot Nr. 418: Order of the Red Banner 4th Award, s/n 5245. The serialnumber is too high, for this variation and at all, as there aren?t more than about 3500 4th Awards were awarded, as far as i know. The reverse looks very shiny and the makers mark (as far as one can see it) looks strange...

I got the cataloge today and there are some very nice things in it. However, a few observations:

Lot 406 (actually i am not sure about his one)

How is it possible, that a Nevsky Type 1 was awarded in 1980?

Lot 419

Order of the Red Banner 111.170 is a suspension type with an added screwpost, not a Type 2. I just guess, the estimate was for a Type 2, right?

Lot 426

"Victory Parade Issue"

is not possible, as this is a late Type 4 example and as a "Victory Parade Issue" it has to be an early Type 3 in my opinion.

Thats all, i have to complain

I must say, i was very suprised about Lot 290 with the german Third Reich Medalbar with a St. Stanislaus 3rd class Rick please explain this to me!!!!

I would like to add, that Jani is one of the most trustworthy dealers in this hobby and i can only recommend to do business with him. You won?t be disappointed.

Gerd

Very intesting topic, Auke. Here is an interesting brass two-piece variation on a Liberation of Belgrade Medal from my collection. Will check, if i have anything more of interest.

Gerd

I believe that it is the Mexican medal of independence

Ivan

Thank you, Ivan

Gerd

OK, so 1946 # 14988 is nothing special (though somebody apprently thought it might have been gold and I just cannot resist Moscow Enamel Buddies products) but check out 1961:

So, do I get to claim--no matter how briefly-- a New World Record?

Nice! Did you pay more than for a usual one?

Gerd

Great website, Chris. Beside the excellent content i really like the design of the website. Simple and nice.

I shall try to make it but a little bit later

Excellent! I look forward to that.

Gerd

What about this storage method?

Storage method okay, but the storage You are aware, that you owe us a lot of closeups now?

Breathtaking collection

Jim, you have seen my storage method over in the thread about my collection. I want to add, that for silver srewback orders nothing is better than simple cardboard.

Gerd

Dave, thank you for the clarification. Still a very nice set with a Golden Merit Medal.

Gerd

A recent pick with two ribbons from Baden. I am a little confused on the Baden ribbons. I know they are for the Merit Medal of the Military Karl-Friedrich Merit Order but why two? Any help with the id is appreciated

1. EK

2. Baden

3. Baden

4. HH?

5. MS MMV2? or MS?

6. Hindenburg

Paul, the first one of the Baden Ribbons is for the MKF Merit Order and the second one is for the Merit Medal. Thats a beautiful little set, you have there.

Gerd

dond,i just want to say that is a fine looking medal bar you got there.What I like is the order the medals were placed(no FF cross),but now I have a question on the bravery medal.Is that a higher award then the MVK?Why was it awarded because I thought the MVK was a bravery medal like a EK2.

Scott

Scott, while the MVK was awarded as a Service award more or less, the Bavarian Military Merit Medal was awarded for an extraordinare act of bravery. If you read the citations for these bravery Medals, you will understand. Chris B. has some, i see if i can find the thread about his or maybe he likes to post it again here?

Don, the MMM looks very odd, as if its double-struck, but only on the profile of Max Joseph, but i believe, its a real Spangenst?ck.

Gerd

Hello and welcome to the club, Naoki. We have a few more Third Reich collectors from Japan here.

You have to post some more messages, before you get over your probationary status and then you can upload bigger pictures.

As an alternative you can purchase an annual subscription and can upload bigger pictures immediately then.

Hope, you have fun here.

best regards,

Gerd

Thanks, Paul I like them too. Hope to add a few more soon...