Gerd Becker

A question relevant to all these badges, but inserted here as currently the newest--

were all these badges given upon initial commissioning as a lieutenant in the regiment? Or were they "honorary" as well and given to former members upon significant jubilees, and so on?

My Tsarist awareness (I will not say knowledge) is basic, but in photos I have never seen more than ONE of this type of badge being worn...

so WAS it possible to be eligible for one than one?

Say, Badge 1 when first commissioned in Regiment X,

but Badge 2 as a more senior officer in another regiment when that had a big anniversary?

Could holders of multiple badges pick and choose which ONE they wore, or as the whim took them?

I'm trying to understand how a General, say, who had been commissioned in one regiment, served in another, graduated from the General Staff Academy-- would have selected WHICH badge(s?) to wear?

My knowledge about Russian Imperial Regimental badges is very imited, so I would really like to know this too.

Btw, thanks for posting all this beautiful badges.

best,

Gerd

Nice citation, Danny. I hope, i will be able to add one of these beautiful combat-awards to my collection soon, but the prices have gone crazy for Nevsky?s

Gerd

Superb group, just superb. This is the forst time I actually see a group for an Afghanistan combat vet.

I agree, fantastic group. And only the second one, i have ever seen.

Thanks for sharing the research with us. Both awards combat-awards, what would you want more?

Gerd

The problem is, they don't go cheap. he sells them for a tidy sum. he's patient, he uses all original materials and for the most part, the combinations make sense. He mixes in lots of small, cheap (obviously) real bars and the unsuspecting buyer goes forward. When he first popped up, he sold a small group of very nice, very original bars with very different style/composition/materials... they went for large Euros and I think a "Cottage Industry" was born.........

Once upon a time, I bought every part that showed up publicly. Ribbon, mounts, devices...... everything/anything to keep this sort of thing from happening (so I thought)....... I couldn't keep up with it....

Okay, then i will wait a while, until he wasted the more valuable ribbons and starts to produce cheaper bars. Must happen someday, i think.

Gerd

Nice one, Joe

Hi Eric, I'm not sure and that is entirely possible. I have been wracking my brain since I noticed the labor medal trying to figure out when/where I last saw one!!

Yeah, same here. I haven?t seen very much of them, much much less than the Bravery-Version. And i also think, they share the same ribbon, maybe Ricky L. can shed some light on this.

Gerd

George and Pete, thanks for the answers

best,

Gerd

Glad to see this forum. I neither collect nor know much about pre-Revolutionary Russian ODMs.

This is why I welcome the forum: to learn!

I don?t collect them either, but do very much enjoy to look at them and learn about them.

Great idea

And i already have a question for you Imperial collectors. Which of the Imperial Decorations of Russia were numbered, except of the St. George?s Crosses? And were some of the badges numbered as well?

TIA

regards,

Gerd

Rick,

if i am not mistaken, you don?t see the Hessian Medal very often on older trapezoid Medalbars, is that right? Or does this apply only to the Bravery Version?

Gerd

Maybe one of us should buy a cheap simple one and take a closer look on the construction. I know, its waste of money, but for educations sake?

Ahem, did i say, i am broke this month

No, just kidding if noone of the RB-Collectors bites, i?ll give it a go.

Gerd

Hello Danny,

I have a little red book about the recipants/number of all 3 classes Order of Glory. Mail me your number of Glory second class and I can look, if he has got the 1st and 3rd class Order. If he has no first class,

I am not able to tell you the number of his 3rd class.

regards

Andreas

Sorry, i misunderstood that part obviously

Gerd

This is the event surrounding the awarding of an Order of Glory 2nd Class I had researched last year and translated. Here is the citation as appearing on the citation:

While in the 132nd Rifle Division on the night of 31.10.44, he cleared a lane under heavy enemy fire in an enemy mine field and wire obstacles.

A grenade was thrown in a section of wire, but due to the persistence of Private Abulev, the breach was maintained.

He is deserving of the Order of Glory II Class.

He was awarded the Order of Glory 2nd Class the following month. I am missing his Order of Glory 3rd class.

Danny,

Andreas (Alfed) has a book with the numbers of Glory Sets. I am sure, he can tell you the number his 3rd class.

best,

Gerd

Hi Steen:

Thanks for the comments - you have quite a valuable resource in your website

Hi Gerd:

"OF" is my shorthand for the Bulgarian name of the Fatherland Front: Otechestven Front

Cheers,

Eric

Thank you, Eric

all the best,

Gerd

Thanks again, Rusty. Much appreciated

Gerd

Thanks, Rusty. I have seen the Red-Star on ebay, thats really sad.

Do you know the numberrange for this type (the not riveted) from the mondvor-site?

best,

Gerd

I LOVE the austrian folded one

Nice additions, Tom

Wow, Christian, you found one? thats great!!!

I have maybe seen two in six years collecting.

Nice find

Gerd

Rusty,

never mind. I thought, we were talking about orders but you guys talk about badges.

Gerd

Rusty,

i agree with you.

Do you have seen one of these copies and can you provide a picture? That would be most helpful. And if possible, pm me the names of the dealers, you are talking about.

Thanks in advance

all the best,

Gerd

Nice complete Set, Tom

Lucky guy, that he had an "r" behind his name

Gerd

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I didn?t take enough time to study your cloth one so I can?t comment on that.Expert or no expert I take sides with Mr.Hansen on this issue,yeah do good shots of your dotty one and so will I with my not so dotty one and then we should be able to compare.

Why is there not even a sentence on those in any reference book?Again I?ve seen what happened to Hawkeye out here,I don?t want to leave this place through the roof,so I hope I didn?t offend anyone.Anyway I wouldn?t touch a dotty one nor take it as gift.These are not dotted ones but dotty ones to me

Regards

This happened to Mr. Hansen NOT because of his opinion to Rounders or "dotted date" DK?s, but his try to sell something, he believes to be fake, on ebay is the reason for his suspension.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with these DK?s. I have had one in hand maybe a year ago and was able to compare it to other Originals and in my humble opinion are these pre-45 DK?s.

Just my two Euro-Cents...

Gerd

F(unken)T(elegraph) Gast, n?turlich! I'd say the last name is "B?hmig" based on where the i is dotted, and the four //// strokes.

What is a "Funken Telegraph Gast"?

I would agree on the name "B?hmig"

Gerd

Like most of George's circle, I had only spoken to Tony by phone and email before his long, hard final illness. My deepest sympathies are with his family. My sadness is lightened by acceptance of the fact that his long suffering is over at last.

The "top guys" in Imperial German collecting were always quiet, dedicated, serious men-- none of the flash and noise and showboating we so often accept as "normal" in the Third Reich high enders. But also unlike the Wallet Collectors, they recognized and welcomed the fellowship and spirit of shared common interest, across all lines of age and income.

Tony and his peers had CLASS.

It was my privilege to circle in their orbit for pretty close to 30 years, drawn in by research and shared good company-- even by mail, or phone in those not so long ago days "pre-computer" (none of the circle were ever Internet guys). If you know of any other branch of our hobby where the world leaders accept "kids" as one of their own, I've never heard of it.

NONE of these friends left us when they should have-- all called away before their times. This generation should not have already passed, and we who are left are not and can not compensate for the knowledge they took away with them. As an apprentice, my training has been cut off before it was complete, and now can never be completed without their friendship and guidance and experience.

An era is passing.

Tony will be missed.

Well said, Rick.

Gerd

I wonder...? How is it the crown and swords device goes through the mounting and is bent over on the reverse of the mount while the clasps appear to be attached through the ribbon and bent over on the obverse of the mounting bar?

Yep, swords and other devices are mostly (if not allways) attached on the medalbar itself, whereas clasps are mostly (if not allways) were mounted on the ribbon.

Gerd