MetPolice

Hi all,

As per the above title, does anyone know anything about the 'Police and the East End of London' exhibition in 1974??

If someone has the booklet for the exhibition could they post a scan her, please??

Mervyn has said in a another post :

''These are two informative drawings, made by Bob Marrion - the 'H' Division plan drawer in 1974.

I have shown them in the past - but, this seems a good time to repeat them. They are accurate

and drawn as illustrations for the booklet for the first Police Exhibition ever held by the Met. Police - this

was in 1974. My Home Beat had a wonderful hall above the Regency period local library. I put

forward a suggestion that we have an exhibition - "The Police and the East End of London" . It had

great publicity and many people loaned exhibits - we had over 30,000 visitors and schools bussed

their pupils-in. We had a formal lunch at Bethnal Green station - in our basement - the guest of honour

Bishop Huddleston, The Commissioner, Dep. Comm, and all 4 Asst. Comms. attended and then

visited the exhibition - which was extended to 5 weeks.''

Thank You,

Zeb

I think your right but not sure.

You can get the book on eBay etc. but I would get the early hardback edition as it has more images and some in colour

Zeb

The City Police have never worn chrome fittings on their uniforms. They were either brass (pre. c.1970) or gold anodised (post c. 1970). This is notwithstanding the chrome chain shown in the photo.

Dave.

Dave,

Thanks for clearing that point up !!

Nick,

Imagine the fun our great-great grandsons will have pouring over the finer points of wicking t-shirts and hi-viz fleeces circa 2014

Indeed!

Zeb

Simon

The Inspector in Question is Chief Inspector Elezar DENNING (b. 1828 d. 1904)

House of Commons Inspector 1860-1888

Born Charlock, Dorset

Joined Met 1846

Warrant No. 23680

Posted to F DIv, then A Div, the J Div, then posted back to A Division in 1860 as House of Commons Inspector.

Only Policeman in Ordinary Uniform to be published in Vanity Fair.

More details are in the Official Encyclopaedia of Scotland Yard (Keith Skinner and Martin Fido).

An Excellent book with lots of images from the Met Police Museum, a number of them shows officers In uniform.

Hope it helps,

Zeb

Can you find anything in this photo??

Zeb

From this photograph (even though uniform in 1930s) I think the City Police wore a silver chain as well??

I have also found a photo of an Inspector's dress uniform from the City police.

This is a very good website about City Police Uniform and Equipment.

Zeb

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Excellent!

Only one thing that I think should be added, is the whistle chain.

Attached is a photo. May be a bit later but shows how the whistle should be worn.

Zeb

Extract from Police Orders. Wed, May 25th 1887

Whistles. -1. Whistles are to be carried by Police at all times when on duty, and in the following manner.
2. The hook is to be fastened in the second button-hole from the top of the tunic or great coat and whistle placed between the buttons, the chain to hang nearly straight on the outside of the garment (and then the whistle should be tucked in) .

Paul

Will get his RN Service Papers to see if it mentions anything.

Zeb

You can always talk to 'Firepower' The Royal Artillery Museum about the unit .

Zeb

http://firepower.org.uk/

research@firepower.org.uk

I think its something to do with the Knights Templar ??

Zeb

I'm researching a RVM Edward VII Bronze to

Named to 221335 A Renwick Lg Sea HMS Penbroke

I believe he got it for Gun Carriage Services on Edward VII Funeral.

Thanks,

Zeb

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-17014-0-25528400-1408200574.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-17014-0-65551800-1408200588.jpg

Sorry!

fron 1829 (not 1929)

http://www.historybytheyard.co.uk/warrant_nos.htm

Zeb

I did do some research in the Dulwich College Archives and found an obituary, which is very interesting to read.

Zeb

Found this link which gives warrant numbers from 1929 - 2014

Zeb

Here is a write up of Underwood that I have found

Robert Charles Elphinstone Underwood was born on 22nd October 1866, at Lansdowne House, Camden Hill Road, London, the son of William Elphinstone Underwood of the Honourable East India Company Service, and his wife Harriett Decima Winter, he appears to have a twin sister, Sarah Jessis Underwood, and younger brother, who was named after his father and born a year later in 1867, and a further brother, Arthur Cressee was born in 1871.

Underwood was educated a Dulwich College, London from 1881 to 1882, but then left and joined the Burma Police, and shortly afterwards volunteered to take part in Lord Robert's Expedition to Upper Burma being present at the capture of Mandalay on 18th November 1886, being awarded the India General Service Medal 1854-1895, with clasp for Burma 1885-7. Underwood was then promoted to Sub Inspector of Police on 7th February 1887.

Underwood went on to pursue a successful career with the Burma Police, being promoted to Inspector in November 1890, being then appointed Imperial Police Assistant Superintendent from June 1891, and it was shortly after his period that his personal life appears to have developed some complications as he is listed as having maintained a Burmese woman whom he married according to one source, Mah Ngew Nyen (1879-1943), with whom he had a son, John C.H. Underwood (1899-1958) who was born on 19th November 1899, and baptised on 6th March 1899 at Saint Augustines Church, Moulmein, his father being interesting listed as Charles Robert Elphinstone Underwood, Assistant Superintendent of Police, but at around the same time he then married an english woman, Evelyne Mary Burne (1875-1945) on 6th June 1900 at Saint Matthew's Church, Moulmein, he being in this case similarly listed as Assistant Superintendent of Police, and with his English wife he however had no issue of children, however he clearly took John C.H. Underwood into his household, the couple maintaining him as their son, he being listed in sources as the son of both women!

Underwood was promoted to District Superintendent of Police in April 1906, and would ultimately be promoted Deputy Inspector General of Police for the Eastern Range on 1st July 1919, having been shortly before hand awarded the King's Police Medal in the London Gazette for 12th February 1917 when serving as District Superintendent of Police at Toungoo in Burma, this being Taungoo, which is now a city in the Bago Region of Myanmar, and was located in the central eastern area of Burma.

Underwood was still serving as Deputy Inspector General of Police for the Eastern Range when he died on 1st July 1920 at Rangoon aged 53. His obituary was published in the Straits Times for 20th July 1920 which sums it up by stating: 'the province loses another of those splendid police officers who joined her in the days just after the annexation of Upper Burma'. Underwood left the sum of £1584 16s and 3d to his wife, Evelyne Mary Underwood, the will being handled by probate in London on 27th July 1920.

Thanks

Zeb

Hello Mervyn

Will post some more about him tomorrow.

Unfortunately don't have a photo of him. Will post a pic of the medal if wanted??

Zeb

Does anybody know anything about ...

Deputy Inspector General of Police (Eastern Range) Robert Charles Elphinstone Underwood

Awarded Kings Police Medal London Gaz 12 February 1917 Dist. Supt Toungoo Burma Civil Police

Volunteered for service with Lord Robert's expdn. to Upper Burma and present at the surrender of Mandalay.

b. 22/10/1865 d. 1/7/1920

Thanks

hello Mervyn

Thanks for the info!

As it's a shorter truncheon, could it be an Inspectors??

The Dog biting is on the first picture.

Zeb

I was given a truncheon as a gift a few years ago and was told that I was victorian BUT I don't think so (just a hunch)!

It is very battered (a dog had it in his mouth) and has no markings on and it sinks in water.

It is 13 1/2 inches long. I have attached some photos.

Can anyone date it or knows anything about the type?? http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-17014-0-04004600-1406969241.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-17014-0-29517200-1406969265.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-17014-0-87212000-1406969314.jpg

Very interesting.

When I stated collecting I was given a truncheon. I don't know when it's from so will post a picture here soon.

If you ever decide to part with you Police Box key, I would be very interested.

I know this is an old post BUT....

I have written to the commissioner and got a reply from him personally and Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said that he and the Deputy Commissioner STILL have a silver token AND a Warrant Card.

In my reply to him I enclosed a copy of the photo Dave Wilkinson posted and his Personal Admin Manager relied (this time) and she said that the Sir BB-H token was like the photo.

Hope this answers some questions!

I have a few friends in the Met and will ask them what their warrant numbers are.

Mervyn

This is a very interesting post!

I think the Met had a stock of whistles (new and old), the old were ones that Officers had handed in.

These were later handed in and re-used. I think yours has a new chain on it (which is quite common for an old whistle!)

Looking forward to seeing the other items

Thanks!

It really helps my research.