Jerry B

A Helmets Crash Despatch Rider HSDR economy version made from compressed rubber and fibre and not a common survivor, the first version seems to have survived more often. Both types are seen in old photographs and were also said to have been used as early glider and para training helmets.

The example is marked as being made by Empire which were the only maker I can find for these. They are not dated but the other example I can find has a WD arrow for 1941, this one has no surviving arrow mark that I have so far been able to find.

The red stripe is thought to be MP markings.

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The WD arrow over I shows it was for issue in India which fits nicely with you buying if fro Pakistan. For a syringe I assume.

It looks like my other photos are better. I will take better pictures. Is it true that the Queens Own Cameron Highlanders had the black ribbon cockade behind the badge, and the Black Watch did not?

In theory yes the QOCH have the ribbon backing and the BW do not. A useful guide on these which you can find copies of for sale some times.

Jerry,

You've helped me before with my HMS Submarines Cap, my Northumberland Fusiliers Peaked Cap, and my field service caps. Are the pictures from those posts better than these, or are all my photos showing as too small? (I also have Windows 7)

If it's just these photos, I'll take better pictures when my cap arrives in my hands.

Thanks,

Paul

By the way, I wouldn't take any advice or criticism as rude from you. You have been very helpful to me as I've fallen in love with British headgear. Thank you for that.

Hi Paul, looking at the side cap thread and the royal fusiliers, both of them have nice big detailed pics so it is just this thread. I have taken my gumpy hat off, sorry again for that but it is a bugbear, not just here where sometimes smaller pictures are all you can post, but sometimes people are asking opinons on very expensive items and they post tiny poorly focussed images and it drives me mad.

I don't know why Mike but when I click on your pictures they don't seem to enlarge as much as the ones I post, though it sayas yours are larger in kb's than mine.

Good Morning Jerry......

Thanks for the additional information.......

But......

Your statement: "Bigger pics would be nice to see, I don't understand how people expect to get help when the images they show are so small, sorry if that comes over as rude but thats how I see it."

In a way I agree.......

The pictures that I posted are to the maximum that the system will accept...... I have tried to post larger but the system will not accept.......

Mike

Hi Mike, sorry if I came over all grumpy there. Strangely though it is evening here and I have not long gottten home from a uninspring day in work and perhaps I should have left the sh#t there.

I seem able to post bigger pics here. My late Victorian Welsh regiment Volunteers battalion officers Glengarry blows up quite large when you click on it.

P is the date letter for 1941 and 1947, though for WWII markings it is usually underneath. The colour combination with a red toorie is correct for the Queens own Cameronian highlanders. Bigger pics would be nice to see, I don't understand how people expect to get help when the images they show are so small, sorry if that comes ovger as rude but thats how I see it. WWI headgear sometimes uses a P as party of the WD code markings, though I assume without better pics that this is a post WWII example.

t=1937 & 1956 *
s=1938 & 1957
r= 1939 & 1948
q=1940
p=1941
o=1942
n=1943
m=1944 & 1953
z=1945
l=1945, 1946 & 1953
e,p=1947 *
r=1948
a=1949
b,a=1950 *
b=1951
c=1952
l=1953
m=1954
d,o,t=1955 *
t=1956 & 1937
s=1957
f=1958
x=1959 *

Congratulations on staging the exhibition, well done.

Two new annotated montage shots.

the side caps

the forage/dress caps.

Thanks, Jerry. I presume you mean the 17th/21st Lancers cap? One of my favorite regiments, and I reckon everyone likes the "motto."

I picked up my first cap, the Queen's Own Hussars, at Herbert Johnson's shop in London, in 1976. Little did I know.......

I would love to pick up some Yeomanry officer caps, but they seem to be quite scarce. One cap I do regret selling was an Essex Yeomanry officer's. I have a 1960's Ayrshire Yeomanry officer's cap, but I cannot find the correct cap badge; quite annoying.

BobS

Yes bob, it was the 17th/21st to which I referred. I have an SD cap for them and a forage cap would be a great addition. I have two missing their badges, the Royal Scots greys Sd cap I got the other day and a Dorsetshire regiment forage cap. i am sure I will find them sooner or later.

The Lancers field officers forage cap is a real beauty, though all of them are, but that is the one I most like to have from your collection Bob.

Nice to see your caps Bob.

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Very nice Mike, as you might have noticed I like these caps as well. Great to see so many Canadian examples which are not common in my part of the world.

Jerry,

what a fascinating story to accompany the cap. A real coup.

Stuart

Thanks Stuart, it is rare in my experience to find out so much about the original owner of an item like this, though some of the tunics I own have quite well documented previous owners, but none like this.

And some more. mostly slouch or bush hats though a few more SD caps as well.

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Jerry - how long have you been collecting. Not only impressive but full of information for other collectors. Mervyn

(we have added a RECOMMENDED to the title.)

Thanks Mervyn. I have been collecting for circa 20 years, but a lot of what I have had has long gone.

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Adding some more detasil shots to this.

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I scanned the map again as first time it was pretty poorly done. You can clearly see Zonhoven on it.

No, only a brief mention of the actions in that area and it is shown on a map. I have added the relevant pages that cover the actions in your area.

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The one I showed is OR's and it came with the Gun badge on it, though wartime the Ubique was perhaps more commonly seen, and I am not sure if the OR's was seen very much during the war. The example I shoewd is probably early post war, or at least pre 53, though the dating of these can be quite difficult except for the crowns on the badge and buttons, otherwise they don't change much over time.

I have a few as well.

It looks to be a good example Paul.

Certainly imteresting, but the paper trail exists for both his service as an OR and for both his commisions so not really sure what happened. The 1911 census has him still in schoo; at 18 so he must have been from a fairly well off family.

Name: Emlyn Abraham Williams
Birth Date: 26 Feb 1893
Date of Registration: Dec 1969
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Cardigan
Inferred County: Pembrokeshire

He is also listed here as a war service LT and 2nd LT for WWII but with no other details.

http://www.unithistories.com/officers/Army_officers_A03.html

1911 Census

It looks to be a great book Clive, a volume that did the same for the British versions would be a great book to see.

There is a history of their war, I have a copy.

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Thank you.

No problem.

Remember that nothing is set in stone and I have seen officers caps with GS buttons and OR's caps with regimental buttons, the latter being more likely to be seen pre or post war and the former wartime.