Jerry B

OR's metal shoulder titles.

3 combination versions and two seperate types, one of which has been converted into a sweetheart brooch. I have the flaming grenades to go with the two pice versions, but have not shown them.

Very good example. I notice it has a red dot in the center of the crown and I have been told that was changed to a blue dot in the 1920's.

Here it is on an example from my collection, to show to what I mean.

And the rest of the papers for him.

Jerry - did you ever find any further info. for this medal ?

Hi Mervyn.

I have, as mentioned above, most of his pension records including what he died of and a number of letters from the regiment trying to find out if his ilness was the result of his service, but it seems no answer was forthcoming and hterefore he was not listed on the CWGC.

I'll add the full set of papers here in two posts.

And a post WWII machine embroidered version.

Cloth shoulder titles, two pairs of the printed version and one hand embroidered in silk.

Printed.

Embroidered

Great stuff Graham.

My two offerings for the regiment.

Late Victorian on lugs

WWII plastic economy.

Or's cap badges.

pre 1920, including one that has been converted into a sweetheart brooch.

Post 1920, including 2 WWII economy plastic versions.

Or's Glengarry cap badge, late Victorian period.

Officers pre 1920 osd cap badge.

Officers post 1920 osd cap badge

I looked in Bryn Owen's book on the Welsh militia which covers this unit and he showed an example from when they had converted to the 3rd VBn. and that also has WF on the shoulder titles. so just one of those regimental oddities.

I have emailed you.

Hi guys,

thank you very much!

Jerry could you show your ceramic memorial plaque?

Best wishes

Chris

Hi Chris, already posted it here. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/62338-ceramic-memorial-plaque-wwi-swales-borderers/

Hello

Thank you for your interest the tunic is for sale no one was able yo explain the reason for the WF on the shoulders, I understand there is the in the RWF museum thank you again

David.

Thanks David for your very quick reply.

I was in the museum less than two weeks back, but did not notice one with only WF on the titles, but I was with the wife and though she is very good about such things, I did not study everything as much as I would have liked.

Is the tunic listed for sale on the forum? If not perhaps you could pm me with details?

I shall add some of my RWF items to this thread. First off, an Indian made officers coloured FS cap, probably from circa 1938.

Looking through older threads to the RWF and found this one.

What a stunning Vol Bn's tunic. Did anyone work out why it only has WF on the shoulder boards?

Did it get sold?

I have a later RWF Vol Bn's scarlet frock in my collection.

Some of his details. He died a few days into the battle of Messines ridge. He was wounded on the 10/06/17 and died the following day.

Private
Unit 50th Battalion
Corps Australian Infantry
Force Australian Imperial Force

Date of Death 11/06/1917
Cause Died of wounds
Age 35
Next of Kin Son of Thomas and Eliza Wheaton. Native of Plympton, South Australia.


He is buried here. BAILLEUL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION (NORD) III.C.55.

Thanks Mervyn and Mike.

The 3 services plate is quite interesting as it appears to have one of the naval guns converted for land use shown on it.

I just checked ebay and amazon for the book Mike. None on the former, but quite a few on the latter.

19th (Service) Battalion
Formed March 1915 by the Welsh National Executive Committee as a Bantam Battalion. With 38th (Welsh) Division at Deganwy until August 1915.
September 1915 : transferred to 119th Brigade, 40th Division at Aldershot.
Landed in France early June 1916.
6 February 1918 : disbanded in France, men going to 8th Entrenching Battalion..

My small collection of patriotic/commemorative ceramics from the Boer war period.

Two plates from during the war, and also a jug, from the end of the war.

It is the scroll that accompanied the memorial plaque (death penny) for those who fell in the Great War.

I do not know its value, it depends on his unit, if he had any other medals etc.

A good item and let me know if you find a valuation for it as I might be interested in buying it.

Thanks very much Mike for all the detailed information, greatly appreciated.

I like all the iconography on it, the representation of the different forces involved.

Boer war period medallion with the legend Transvaal Souvenir 1899-1900. I assume it was a private purchase item for those serving or visiting South Africa at the time.

It's very good up to a point but doesn't distiguish beween 1st & 2nd Bn's and Reserve Bn's. I got my information from Westlakes "English & Welsh Infantry Regiments" and also Fredericks "Lineage Book of British Land Forces 1660-1978" in which both mention the Reserve Bn,76th, which is why I suspect your man was transferred on the disbandment of this Battalion.

Items as yours have been little appreciated over the years and it's seems that only in the last few years that Discharge Documents/Small Books have received the attention they deserve - yours in my opinion is unique in the fact that it deals with service outside of our normal understanding of the Foot Regiments.

Graham,

I am happy to agree that your sources are likely to be more accurate than the site I linked to, or that it does not tell the whole story.

The lack of interest in these earlier documents is a shame, but hopefully over time more attention will be given to them and the information they contain. Interesting that it is for an OR, as I don't think much survives of this type for a soldier such as this from this period.

He certainly got around when he was with the 76th and even married when he was stationed in the America's/Nova Scotia.

Seems both Regiments were serving in the Med at the same time - 76th arriving Corfu in 1848 & Malta 1850, but this Battalion was a 'Reserve' Battalion of the 76th formed in 1847 - Corfu 1848 - Malta 1850, where it was disbanded. Personnel would then have been given an option of whom to serve with or take a Discharge.

not sure if you have seen this site on the Malta forces Graham, it seems pretty good.

http://www.maltaramc.com/regmltgar/76th.html

http://www.maltaramc.com/regmltgar/41st.html

Hopefully the links will work.

Not sure what they are doing to it, but it is a PZmkIV. A good album and good to see it has not been split as so often happens.

The 2nd Bn, 41st did infact serve in Corfu(Ionian Islands) in 1851 before moving to Malta and then to the Crimea in 1854. However they returned to England in 1856, before moving to the West Indies in 1857 and then England 1860 and then Ireland in 1864. Companies in the Battalion would have moved as and when a sailing ship was available and often Companies were detached on 'Garrison' duties where small Islands were concerned.

Lovely Documents though and I wonder if it's his Accounts Book rather than his Small Book? I have a large collection of Service Documents myself, which fascinates visitors.

Thanks Graham,

The service on Malta in the 1850's was with his previous regiment the 76th.

Some of the pages have duplicate numbers and it appears to be two documents, both since tucked into a single cover.