Jerry B

Nice stuff Jerry, I remember seeing a few of the WW1 tanks not that long ago on a visit to UK and they seemed relativley inexpensive, just they were from the wrong side or I would have had a couple!

Jock

They are not too pricey, relative to the equivalent German items I guess. Some of them are more expensive than others, it depends on the mark of tank, the maker and the town crest upon them. Some of the other types, such as submarines, airplanes can be quite pricey, again the twon crest etc makes a difference.

I used to collect to the other side, but only buy British these days, Welsh items in the main.

And a few more, including a very rare French example for Verdun.

Yes, please add more and anyone else who has patriotic porcelain.

Tony

Glad to oblige Tony.

Some more from my collection. I have a couple more pieces to add. I also have a few of Boer war date, though not sure if they belong here.

Jerry, were silver badges issued to officers or did they have to buy them? Do you know if they were widespread throughout different regiments or were they only worn with certain units?

Tony

Hi Tony,

private purchase as far as I know, as was all officer equipment and uniforms. I assume it was all down to how rich the officer was as to how high a quality his insignia was, though with prestigious regiments only the best was accetable and I think the lancers were one of those posh units and the same applied to all the cavalry.

It has been suggested that the motto was probably a regimental or family heirloom, handed down through the generations. That certainly seems likely in this case, as otherwise it is hard to understand how a circa 1900 item of insignia ended up on a circa 1950's officers cap.

I think that they were more common with the posher regiments with long traditions, whilst the newer units did not go in for this as much.

One from my collection. I'll add more if there is any interest. An early piece with the date 1914 and the early war allies on one side and a floral decoration on the other, suggesting perhaps it was very quickly converted from an item allready in production.

There is a series of books on the Pals BN's, I am not sure how many were covered but I have two, for Carmarthen and Swansea pals. Both are very comprehensive with detailed accounts of their formation, the actions they took part in and lists of those who fell. Also full of images of recruting posters and newspaper clippings. Well worth getting if they completed volumes for the areas in which you are interested IMO.

A seemingly brilliant idea for boosting recruitement, but as the article points out, it often caused devastation for whole communities. Pal's battalion insignia is highly collectable and often expensive and as such there are many fakes about.

The official movements of the 41st at this time.

The rest of the pages. Interestingly his recorded service does not match that recorded for the regiment during the period, rather it is appears to be slightly out of sinc, though that of itself is not an issue, as for the period units were quite often widely scattered. I'll show the official recorded movements of the regiment in the next post.

An interesting survival of an OR's service papers from 1860, covering his service with the 41st regiment and also mentions his previous service with the 76th regiment. Part of it is missing and it appears to be from two documents/service books, though it contains a lot of interesting information.

It will take two posts to show all the pages.

Marked stirling Silver on the reverse, with clear signs that an upper lug has been removed. It came to me mounted on a circa 1950's officers service dress cap with regimental buttons, though the markings and removed lug show that it was from an earlier period and probably started life on a sunhelmet. It also has been repaired near the end of one of the long bones during its life. The cap is for the 17th/21st Lancers from its date, but the motto would have originaly been for the 17th Lancers.

The Malta badge is great. I really like the phrase: "May be hand bent in hot water." I wonder if that was a note for the Sergeant Major?

Pennants are a nice add to the thread as well. Thanks for posting.

Hi,

I am glad you did not mind my adding to your thread. The Malta is a great badge and the annotation on the reverse really adds to it, besides it being a rare badge.

The pennant is another of my favorites in my collection, if only it could tell its story.

My example is a size 7 Tony.

It looks almost homemade with that roughly cut plate, thanks for showing it.

Tony

hi Tony,

I think they were home made. The plaque/penny is very worn and must have been polished a lot during its time. A shame in the end they had become neglected and suffered from that. When I visited his family plot on which he is commemorated to take a photo of it, his grand niece and her husband who had sold them were there tending the grave and said that they had ended up in a drawer for years.

Nice examples. Thanks for sharing them

:cheers;

Larry

Thanks Larry

Lovely badges Jerry.

I really like the NCO sleeve badge with the back plate.

I've seen the pennants before,just great.

Cheers,Martin.

Thanks Martin. Good to see another friend here.

I have a few RA badges to add to this thread, which I assume is OK to do. I have two of the printed WWII period cloth arm badges used on a field made pennant.

Some good examples of the police helmet.

Here is my example, which I have shown in my headgear collection. Interesting that both examples you have shown Jock have the same pattern of the word POLICE as my example which I have been told by MKII helmet collectors is for female police officers. It would be interesting if anyone has any thoughts or knowledge of this.

The last of the BD's and the KD's. I have some trousers to go with some of the uniforms and some shorts, shirts etc. The RA LT Colonel SD tunic in the first post, I have his trousers, cap and great coat. The cap is shown in my headgear collection thread.

The BD's. Well most of them as I have too many for one post. I'll add the others and the KD's next post.

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Is that Victory medal in a little frame? How is the medal fixed in place?

Tony

It is Tony. It has a slot for the suspension ring and is sealed from the back by a metal plate, as is the Memorial plaque/penny. The previous owner had opened them up to check the name & number of the Victory medal.

What a lovely thing! Too bad its to William Williams of the SWB. Narrowing it down to 1, 2 or 3 men would be the cat's meow!

Thanks for sharing!

Thanks Peter. A prized item in my collection.

Jerry,

Why is it thought to be for a WPC? I only have one MKII police helmet so have no idea about variant stencils.

Your named MKI - was JH Schwarz a US soldier or Brit./Commonwealth? Obviously a German family name, I always find that interesting and have come across a few medals named to men whose parents were born in Germany but have never come across any documentation/named photos of German soldiers with Anglo names.

Tony

Hi Tony, I only have the information from others, but the more common version of the Police decal is different to this one and I have been told that it is thought to be for a WPC.

There were three J Schwarz's who served in the British army during WWI, though one had a G as his middle intial, so not likely to be him. The other two are listed below.

John Schwarz

RR Cav 2nd

9798

Joshua Schwarz

East York Regiment

7300

British and commonwealth tunics etc, includes Home service tunic, Scarlet and blue frock, SD and KD tunics and BD blouses.

I'll start with the earlier ones and the OSD's and one RN reserve officer uniform.

Very impressive collection of headgear. I look forward to seeing your future updates!

What does a mint standard broadie go for these days? I have had one in my collection for the past 30 years and have no idea what they fetch. Also, is there a way to figure out the date of manufactor and whether it was British, Canadian, Austrailian, or etc?

If you find an extra visor cap for an officer of the 39th Infantry Division(India), I will provide it a great home!

Hi Paul, thanks for the comment.

WWI examples can usually be dated by the type of liner and the main difference between UK and US versions is the manner in which the chinstrap lugs are mounted, the latter having a rivet that looks the same as WWII commonwealth versions and the former looks more like a split rivet as shown below.

Nearly all UK WWII period helmets have dates on the shells and the liners, though sometimes the date on the shell is obscured and very rarely there is not date on the liner. There are variations between the different commonwealth helmets, most obvious being the makers marks on the shell, but also the location of the makers marks varies, the British is nealry always next to the lugs, Canadians have their MM at the rear etc...

If you want to show the helmet I will be happy to provide as much information as I can on it.

I did notice your thread on the Indian uniform group, very nice, but I think you might struggle to get the correct cap to match it, certainly an example with regimental buttons could be very hard to find. I have two Royal Indian Army jackets from WWII that I will show at some stage.

Hi Jerry,

Excellent collection, thanks for sharing it with us.

Do keep us posted with future additions, as I'm sure there is more in your future.

Regards

Brian

Thanks Brian, I will update as I add to it.

Hey Jerry,

great to see you here too! ...and you collection of course.

cheers

|<ris

Hi Kris, glad to be here and thanks for the welcome. It was good to see a few names I recognised on joining.