Jerry B

A very fine period example, though a bit large to display.  I have a door sized example which is just about displayable. 

As already stated Lord LT or Deputy LT is my opinion.

On 18/09/2009 at 21:08, leigh kitchen said:

The Welsh Brigade

 

 

The Welsh Brigade was an administrative formation of the British Army from 1948 to 1964. The Brigade administered the regular Welsh infantry regiments.

 

Infantry Depot “L” at Brecon was the HQ for the county regiments of Wales and Monmouthshire

 

On 14/7/1948 it became The Welsh Brigade, containing three regiments:

 

The Royal Welch Fusiliers

The South Wales Borderers

The Welch Regiment

 

In 1958 a Brigade cap badge of Prince of Wales plumes & motto was adopted.

 

On 1/7/1968 the Welsh Brigade, along with The Wessex Brigade and The Mercian Brigade formed The Prince of Wales' Division.

 

On 11/6/69 The South Wales Borderers & The Royal Welsh Regiment amalgamated to form The Royal Regiment of Wales (24th/41st Foot), wearing

The Welsh Brigade cap badge until a revised design in silver & gold finish was introduced:

A minor point but it was the Welch Regiment that along with the South Wales Borderers were amalgamated to form the Royal Regiment of Wales, not the Royal Welsh Regiment which is what they became after the RRW was amalgamated in 2005 with Royal Welch Fusiliers.

13 hours ago, Farkas said:

Hi Gents, Jerry

my two Jerry....

hope you like 

tony

Edit

 amongst these....

 

 

 

Both look fine tony, the dug up is post 1920 with Welch spelling though is  a one piece? and the bimetal is pre 1290 with Welsh spelling.

Here are two dug up great war Royal Welsh Fusilers

Some more from the RWF, both wars, both spellings

Tony,

I have a few Welsh badges, probably a few more than shown in these pictures as these are now out of date.

Whilst I don't have a royal welsh, I do have the RRW and the Welsh Brigade

Tony, the first one is welsh brigade form the 60's or Gurkhas, second is welch and is possibly ok, last is the welsh with the bottom scroll cut off

7 hours ago, Farkas said:

Hi Gents, Jerry,

could you tell me which cap badge that would be? Now I know I've 'got' an XL collar dog not a cap badge!

cheers

tony

 

Tony,

A standard WELSH regiment OR's bi metal I think for the pals.  Note during the pre 1920 period the Welch wore the badge with the spelling WelSh with an S not a C which is seen on post 1920 badges.

18 hours ago, Farkas said:

No doubts now about it being a copy!

Thanks for posting the pics Jerry

the difference in the two is clear to see

and I love that one of them in wear.......

tony

Sorry to have been the bearer of bad news.

By the way, I am also a Cardiff lad, well not a lad any more and no longer living in the Diff.

My Cardiff Pals medal.

Another photo of a Cardiff pals man, note he wears the Welsh cap badge

4 minutes ago, coldstream said:

Excellent photographs Jerry, thanks for posting, never ever seen them before, and good to see them in wear on the uniform.

Regards Simon.

Simon,

They were both copied from the web, thanks to someone else is due for them.

Sadly I have to offer my opinion in it being a copy.

On 07/11/2017 at 21:27, coldstream said:

Tony,

Never had the chance to examine an original so couldn't comment on yours, however thanks for showing a rarely encountered Cap Badge.

Regards Simon.

Actually, it is a collar badge, not for the cap.

2 hours ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

I think that the symbol on the front is one that may have been used by the Irish Civil Defence in the 1950's. Not sure but a possibility.

Dave.

 

That would make sense, post war Irish use.

the helmet shell is by Fisher & Ludlow, a British maker.  Post War Irish army use seems most likely, or perhaps a civilian factory fireguard unit.  They only made shells between 1939-42, but the shells were reused by the irish into the post war period

are there any markings on the underside of the helmet on the shell near the lugs or on the liner cradle? A pic of the underside might help.

A lovely badge, and something I ever got into, but that is a stunner.

the badge in the top three rows, in bronze I think for BD, is correct, as shown in the magazine, the other badge with the Royal Scots scroll is the other ranks badge.

it has the queen Elizabeth crown (post 1953) on it not the Queen Victoria crown, fairly recently made and sadly not Victorian.  also to note, the blue central jewel was introduced sometime after the reign of Victoria, though it was still used up to c. 1920, but on the wrong shape crown.

On 26/08/2017 at 19:25, The Prussian said:

Hello Jeryy!

But what about the fact, the 8th army was dissolved after armistice?

Perhaps you misunderstood my post, but it is not 8th army, it is British Troops in Austria, (as I posted) and the Occupation Forces were mostly made up of ex 8th army soldiers so they used a very similar badge, in fact they are hard to tell apart.

British troops occupation forces in Austria, an almost identical badge to the 8th Army

On 26/07/2017 at 01:17, QSAMIKE said:

Hi Farkas.......

You have to be careful with these early helmets as some of them have found that the padding on the top it is made out of Asbestos......  Otherwise it is a very good helmet....

Mike

 

Mike

it is only some models of Great War Brodie helmet liners that potentially have asbestos in the crown pad.  all WWII helmets are safe from this issue, though there are concerns about gas mask filters possibly having the same concerns.

Certainly, the helmet shown here is completely safe, apart from dropping it on your toes.

As regards the shield badge, the RAR wore a very similar badge.

RAR is as you suggest, RRF is Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, no idea on the shield.

Cool spelling mistake, uncommon but it's still a base metal sweetheart.  If it was an actual cap badge with this you might get a bit for it.

Thanks Jamie,

indeed, Welsh is my main interest but I have a lot of Headgear and other items from throughout the UK including 3 Scottish Glengarry's and 1 Tam o Shanter, though nothing too exciting among them.  I have a fair few corps items, such as RA or RE caps and uniforms but more Welsh than any other single group.  I have quite a large collection of WWI medals of which easily 95% are for Welsh units or Welshmen and the same for metal badges, but my collection of cloth insignia covers the whole range of British Army units.

20 hours ago, BlackWatch said:

Victorian glengarries are quite rare, never mind to a Welsh regiment volunteer battalion. Yours from what I can tell is in very good condition for its age. What a lovely glengarry. I like the red backing to the badge, makes it stand out. Thanks for sharing. 

Thanks BW.

Another of mine, 2nd Battalion Royal Welch Fusiliers officers coloured filed service cap made in India just before WWII