Jerry B

From what I can see of the shape of the peak I would date this to late WWII or ealry post war into the early 50's.

Nice cap, any sign of a makers logo in the crown or behind the sweatband?

The tunic is an early example, having a waistband seam and change pocket, but it does appear to have been enhanced and a theatrical costume is the most likely explanation for the failure to match exactly the pattern of the cuff lace and rank stars.  The tunic is probably circa late WWI or early post war as the waistband and change pocket were both dropped later.

Great pics of Germans using allied sun helmets.

The odd diamond is possibly where a set of tails was attached to it.  Not my area so I can't otherwise comment excpet agree that the badge is all wrong for this.

I am sure there will be a lot of interest in Gallipoli this year and I expect to see a lot about it on the TV etc...

Date wise it exhibits certain features that make it per 1945, though as to whom it was made for, civilian or armed forces I could not say.  The extra lines visible in the weave are typical or flags produced prior to circa 1945.

Here you go.  I also showed it on the other forum but which ever you can see it on first.  If possible I would still like to see a blow up of the badge on the picture.

It would make it easier if you could post just the badge rather than all of the pictures.  From the image it could be the flash for 5th Corps, though that is probably completely wrong and after downloading the image and trying to enlarge it I am certain it is not.

I noticed on the bay a pair of original ribbons for £22 and a Trio of ribbons for more than £30.  So many medal now come with modern replacements or no ribbon at all that it is getting harder to source original ribbon without paying too mucvh of it or so it now seems.  I picked up a VM recently for £9 and by current market prices it will cost £6 for the ribbon and even the going rate for most VM's is less than £20 so another 6 quid on top is quite  a high % to pay, though obviously we would all prefer original ribbon or at least something resembling it.  I picked up two trios recently and both came with modern copy ribbon, gutted!

Has anyone tried this stuff?  I would like to replace all in my collection with original ribbon, but that is not so easy anymore, though I picked up enough BWM ribbon for 3 medals recently.  I was offered two lengths of VM ribbon recently for £12 which seemed a lot, the BWM ribbon cost me £10 for 12 inches which I cut into three 4 inch lengths which seemed long enough.  i have yet to find any original 14 or 14/15 Star ribbon for sale.

I am glad that to the experienced this is fairly obviously not a period paint job etc.... but to the novice if sold this could come back onto the market and be very convincing and they might be fooled into parting with a quite large sum of money. Finding someway to mark it to show it is your work would be good if you don't already do that, perhaps some sort of permament mark on the inside, welded initials or similar under the skirt.

An amazing chance to find the medals to go with the ID disc, as I am sure the disc's are not that common and to find the medals for sale to go with it, wow.

It says he was a jounalist attached to a Tokyo (though spelled with an I) paper and had served with the middlesex regiment, so a Anglo/Irish reporter on a newspaper with an office in Japan seems most likely. They use to the term Japanese journalist because he works in Japan without meaning he was Japansese.

And the other pictures from the book.

Paul this is from the book linked to below, campaign 1914, this also was worn by an officer in the Edwardian period and up to WWI, which fits nicely with a dtae from late victorian up to WWI and perhaps a bit later. Works well for yours being Very late Vistorian.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Campaign-1914-Chris-Pollendine/dp/1628475927

A very nice Christmas pressie even if from yourself.

A lot of paperwork from the surviving records I've seen (which isn't a great deal) mentioned some kind of punishment from RoP through to FP 1, if the crime itself was mentioned then more often than not it had something to do with alcohol, insubordination, AWOL or bad language.

Here are some punishments http://www.1914-1918.net/crime.htmFP 1 and 2 are down the bottom.

Tony

Thanks for adding the info on FP Tony.

Nice. I'd quite like to get a WWI or earlier example one day, though the price would have to be good, ie cheap.

Hello Kevin,

I see that you are getting the same reception here as on the forum where we “disagreed” on your using forums to garner information to sell items recently or about to be purchased.

I stated then and re-state now that I am against both this somewhat “parasitic” approach, and to the giving of valuations to which Brian has stated the objections rather well.

Nothing more need be said as it has already been said by the other members.

Stuart

I have also had much the same discussion with Kevin on other forums and depending on what mood I am in, I either ignore or offer opinions on the objects Kevin asks about.

That is perhaps the best option for any of us to adopt, answer the queries if you want to or are interested enough to do so, or simply ignore them.

Hello Jerry,

My apologies for mis-identifying you as Jenny. Fat fingers on the keyboard!

Regards,

Rob

I have left in a huff! No problem Rob, I assumed you just got it wrong, a typo or whatever. Thanks for the welcome to this section. I have as I mentioned a ew VM's though nothing very exciting perhaps, but all of interest and for men who served their country in times of war so all are special to me.

Here is my example Paul, if you notice the braid on the collar and cuffs is as near identical as possible. His known history suggests it was made sometime after 1902 but probably before 1909, but certainly before WWI.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/62271-welsh-regiment-officers-home-service-tunic/

Hi Paul, it appears to be the same pattern as one I have which is Edwardian in date and I have a recollection that it is a 1898 pattern, though that might be incorrect.

I understand from the thread what "FP" was/is, but what do the initials stand for... ?

Hi Rick, as Holst posted, Field Punshment #1 or #2. 168 hours is a heavy sentence for that type of punishment, though I assume as it was at home he did not go to prison. I have a good appendix that covers the subject in a book, I'll scan it in and post it when I can.

Jerry,

I've been on the look out for type 1 VM for a while, one day I'll get lucky although I wonder if any slipped through my hands before ever realising they existed.

Tony

Indeed Tony, I assume I probably looked and thought the details a bit weak and they look tarnished, not for me!!!!

A fine of 14 days pay and 168 hours is an unusual punishment, as when I have seen it previously -I have another medal with docs and FP awarded- it is given in number of days and is either FP #1 of FP #2. Both involved being fettered for up to 2 hours a day with in the former case being attached to a fixed object such as a wagon wheel and in the latter case that was not done. The punishment could only be done on 3 out of 4 days in a row. Malingering was a serious charge and was dealt with by the regimental commanding officer rather than just the company commander as would be done for less serious offences. His punishment works out at more than 2 months FP which is very serious and the max that could be given I think. I am surprised it does not state which type of FP it was, 1 or 2.

Except he was over 20 when he joined the first time as a ranker with the RWF, then transferred as a ranker to the RA, then promoted as an officer, 2nd LT on probabtion back with the RWF (all in a 4 month period Dec 1915 to Feb 1916), I am told he resigned his commission, though why or what he did next as the war was still ongoing I don't know. Rejoined as LT RA TA post war (1930?) and later a Captain with the RA for WWII.