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14 hours ago, Farkas said:
Hi gents
i bought this a little while back. It came with the medals pictured on the trifold ribbons. Which I doubt belong. Someone must have put them together not recognising the Hindenburg ribbon and instead putting in a wound medal. However the medals look like a related group of four including the wound medal and then three campaign medals added on. I also notice the ‘swords’ are upside down? But seems like a period made mistake to me. Do the swords on the bar look original to those who know I wonder?
ive added my own spares to the bar and left the medals in their trifolds....
hope you like it gents
tony
I must confess that I do not why, but it was common style for esp. hungarian officers in the Habsburg army to wear the swords upside down on MVK, Iron Crown and order of Leopold. I have seen it very often.
Kindest
Christian
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4 hours ago, Farkas said:
Hi gents
i know what the one of them is now...
Does anyone have any thoughts on any of the others please?
should I perhaps in fact be thinking of them as pre 1918? (ie try asking on other forum...)?
Cheers
tony
They are after 1918 until 1938.
Kindest
Christian
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4 hours ago, Farkas said:
thanks both...
Hi Gents
i think this one is mid war....
i have it with some feldposte from 1929/1931
tony
Sorry. But this is "Österreichische Heimwehr" from the interwar period.
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Christian
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at first sight I would say it´s a good piece.
Here one for comparism.
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Christian
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In my opinon the owner would have been Major at the end of WW1. The Austrian order of the Iron Crown 3rd class was bestowed to foreign captains and/or majors.
The lack of long service awards:
1. some people did not display them on their ribbon bars esp. when they had enough high quality orders.
2. the lack of the "Hindenburg-Cross" gives us a hint that this bar was produced before 1934 and there were no long service awards anyway.
I would recognize this as a bar of an officer who held the rank of colonel or general at the beginn of the 1930ties.
Otherwise: if the crown devices on the ribbon of the Iron Crown and the bulgarian order shall demonstrate a commanders grade - which is possible - the owner would have been lieutnant colonel or colonel at the end of WW1 at all.
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Christian
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Here an early Rothe collector´s piece around 1970. There are some of poorer quality which I have seen.
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21 hours ago, 1812 Overture said:
Please contribute your own photo, thank you very much
This photo was taken after 1908 because he had a Frankitzian 60 Medal，and 1911 The Chinese Empire is over。
Pic was taken in or after 1917: he owns Karl-Truppenkreuz which was instituted in 1917.
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Christian
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Maybe it would be more efficient to display the whole card?
Christian
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It´s one of the first issues. They did not have a triangular ribbon during the first years.
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Christian
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Gentlemen,
sorry for my delay. Some clarifications:
1. you are right, the hallmarking law was instituted in 1867. 1872 was the year when the stars were changed into a new model. As yo see I am getting old. And have to stand corrected.
2. There were - as stated above - just three different miniature chains.
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Christian
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I have checked my golden commanders/grand cross insignia. One has a roman "XI" engraved, the second one has a lot of foreign (import) hallmarks and one has just the chamois mark. I own one from Gebrüder Resch with their marks.
Insignia produced before 1872 would not have austrian gold hallmarks because the hallmarking law was installed in 1872.
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Christian
1 minute ago, paul wood said:interestingly miniature FJO collars are often encountered. Maybe bourgeouis wishful thinking
Paul
No, there were three types of miniature chains which were of different design for knights, commanders and grand crosses.
No bourgeois wishful thinking. Have a look into the "Statutenbuch".
Christian
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It is evident that all former austrian soldiers had german-style Spangen und Schnallen which were produced after March 1938. And some (or many?) of them used replacment medals for this purpose.
Scheider himself received just a replacement medal anyway.
But you are right it´s not worth the price at all.
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It´s quite simple:
Leutnant, Major and Generalmajor who had just 1 star commonly used the bigger stars.
Grades with two or three stars used the smaller ones.
But: this does not exclude that some officers used the bigger stars too as captain, colonel or full general at own preference. That´s Austria....
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Christian
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Urban Eduard, Fmlt. a.D., wohnhaft in Wien:
Ritterkreuz des Leopoldordens
Orden der Eisernen Krone 3. Kl.
Militärverdienstkreuz (Frieden) [in 1879]
Bronzene Militärverdienstmedaille
Kriegsmedaille 1873
Militär-Jubiläumsmedaille 1898
Militärjubiläumskreuz 1908
Dienstzeichen für Offiziere 2. Kl.
Source: Schematismus für das k.u.k. Heer 1914, S. 156
https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/KriegsMarine_1914/?pg=155&layout=s
As far as I see, he died in 1916 and had not any command in WW1. Ruhestand was effective with 01.11.1906 not in 1916.
Urban, Eduard (21.10.1847 - 18.5.1916), 1.11.1900 (31.10.00) GM, 1.5.1905 (11.5.05) FML, 1.11.1906 pens. [from Schmidt-Brentano: Die k.u.k. Generalität 1815 - 1918, S. 191]
http://www.oesta.gv.at/DocView.axd?CobId=23130
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Christian
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Here a very nice officer´s bar from Lt. Peter Scheider which was sold on www.dorotheum.com for more than 5.000 € some weeks ago:
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18 hours ago, Valgor said:
I'm no expert, far from it.
I think this is a german produced nineteen thirties piece. Quite a few Austrian -Hungarian 1914-1918 medals are in the 1939 St&L catalogue, for example.
Someone more knowledgable then me should comment. But it is awfully quiet in this part of the forum lately.
Yes, it is a pre-WWII production after 1938, look at the "Ringöse"
Christian
I am not collecting TKMs therefore just two contributions:
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Here some of my collection:
Franz Joseph
and Karl:
Cases:
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On 25.11.2017 at 05:06, Stormrider59 said:
A bit battered (laundered) but still impressive 11 place Ribbon Bar, I'd love to know which Austrian Ribbon pertains to which medal.
We can assume it´s an officer´s ribbon bar, therefore the austrian ribbons would (but must not!) be in common: Militärverdienstkreuz 3. Kl., Silberne Militärverdienstmedaille, Bronzene Militärverdienstmedaille, Karl-Truppenkreuz, Hindenburgkreuz, Österr. Kriegsmedaille, Jubiläumskreuz 1908 and Mobilisierungskreuz 1912-13.
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Christian
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if it goes cheap and wth original ribbon *lol*
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His rank was "Landsturm-Jäger" which would be a private.
In November 1917 the 3rd Kaiserjäger-Regiment was part of the Edelweiß-Division.
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Christian
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I have collected four examples of TKM-mounting:
Henkelöse: regular models from 1798 until 1918 (in WW1 esp. for real gold medals) - they were not useful for mounting on a triangular ribbon
Walzenöse: model mostly used before and in WW1
Kugelöse: mainly used in WW1
Ringöse: used from 1938 to 1945
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Christian
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Dear Elmar,
I was sure that YOU will know the fact of faked chains but I wanted to tell it the others *lol*.
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Christian
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Gents, here another addition:
starting in the 1920ties owners of the TKM could purchase real gold struck medals from uniform suppliers. Those were produced by the Austrian mint (Hauptmünzamt Wien) until the late 1970ties. I remember that "Uniform Dürbeck" in Wien IX, Berggasse, had a own price list for that.
I can not provide pics of the different styles because I don´t collect medals. Maybe Elmar could?
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Christian
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and: there were after WW1 produced medals for mounting on german-style bars from 1938 to 1945. They have a different style for attachment and ring.
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Christian
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Studio photos. RPPC.
in Austro-Hungarian Empire
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Dear Tony,
the decoration on the trousers were worn by hungarian Honved infantry too. And as far as I remember by all hungarian troops, infantry of the regular common k.u.k. army included.
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Christian