Ulsterman

This has gone from a good thread to a really, really GREAT thread-interesting stuff Gentlemen.

Heiko- really, really, really good bars.

Are there any photos out there of these bars in wear? The one for Berlin is especially interesting- I wonder if its for 1918/19 or the Kapp Putsc-or both?

Pity Verkuilen Ager isn't here-yet. i shall invite him.

and some more details:

I am chanting ye magikal incantation ......

Good stuff! Thanks everybody, esp. Tony...some details of the picture:

Thanks Chaps-

Kev, it was a bit early for a tin lid.

My question is though, when did RR sell his soul to Satan to obtain information of Reserve Jager officers...or is he looking through the Reserves listed in the 14 ranklist?

And the Beano-the Victor was my favorite.

I got this the othe day. At first I though Royal marine Red Hats-but now I think Canadians-the collar brass says "C over a 10". The ribbons look like war medals-and something solid. The shoulder title is unreadable. Does anyone know who these men are? Thank you.

...stuck between the pages of a Dandy annual-this little treasure-only 10p. The bottom is printed:"Die Marburger Jager im Schutzengraben in Frankreich 1914/15." On the back in sutterlein is: "Fur Schwester Luise- von Hpt. Wachs 3 Comp. Re Jarg-Btl 11, 22 Res. Divis. IV A.K."-obviuosly a locally produced souviner card given to a pretty nurse by a Captain hoping for a letter.

Note the grenade-rifle.

I have seen a number of USA state lodge war service medals. There are even Orange Lodge medals and ribbons too-although the ones I have seen are old and from small villages I have never even heard of before.

Not very popular items round my way-but I remember seeing them for half what an EK2 costs.

I wish I could find an original UVF badge though-most are modern "copies" used by the gangsters and terrorists.

Try Von Eflers' "Geschicthte der Orden und Ehrenzeichen des Furstentums Waldeck und Pyrmont".

How does one make these editing icons on the top bar work?

very nice! Congratulations!

Did they receive the EK2 for actions after Nov. 11, 1918? However this would make the cross much rarer than what I expected

Apparently yes.

A historian south of me has two Militar passes to elderly Bavarian Landwehr men who both got the EK2 in late 1919. Their only unit stamps and assignments are the depot, a POW camp and a Reserve Lazarett. They are with a lot of Freikorps type paper and have been together a long, long time-from the 1930s or so and are part of a much larger Bavarian "collection" that I am surveying.

Previtera also estimates @200,000 EK2s awarded post war to all ranks. I have noted a LOT of officers docs which show that the officer recived nothing through 1918 and then, as a consolation prize, receives an EK2 upon or shortly before/after being demobbed. Many of these are depot types.

I must of had tunnel vision on the ek and the ribbons, just noticed the missing swords next to it. Now I understand. Nice Ribbon Bar! Never seen one like this before! I learn something new all the time. Thanks!

Consider a third possibility- a number of Bavarian POW guards who never saw combat in 14-18 received the EK2 for service against the Spartakists. So did other Freikorps men. There were also late EK2 awards -sometimes by petition, as with Von Ribbentropps' EK1.

Nice bar.

Paul-

These temporary, specialized officials were Sonderfuhrer-in the TR.

Note also that Beamten were subject to Courts of Honour, but there was vigorous debate as to whether Sonderfuhrer were subject to Courts of Honour in the late 1930s.

"Faked"? Hard word to define. They are, as I think I said, readily available ready-made with military tailors all over Bangkok.

You walk in and buy a ribbon bar that matches your entitlement, or one you'd like to have in your collection, or one you'd like to flog on eBay.

Maybe the question to ask is whether anyone has ever worn these ribbon bars? Short of a DNA test, I'd suggest "no".

Doubtful-there is almost no market for these and there is hardly a plethora of them on ebay. I would suggest that this is a tailor-made bar that was worn by an upper/ mid-ranking bureaucrat-a sort of Bernad-type to somebody's Sir Humphrey (ref:"Yes, Minister") and either was an extra or worn infrequently-as many of us do these days in our blue suit world. I wear my medal bar twice a year at best .

see here:

http://www.grandearmee.com/browseproducts/...ndlesticks.html

Anybody got the Gotha Almanac for 1943/44? I don't find him in 1922 (my last one)- but he was probably too low on the ladder at that date.

You might want to write to the Wiesenthal Centre also about the Baron, ever read undefined ?

There was a rerelease of one of these senior VAD's memiors a few yars back- a Lady Something-Hyphonated/Landed-gentry type. I'll see if I can dig it out. Farmborough, whose diaries have never fully been published was a font of information on Russian awards (and why people got what they did). The medal for Zeal was handed out commonly for basically being there and doing a good job in bad circumstances. GREAT GROUP!

Bravo! Well written, interesting and fun to read-you made my morning Sir. Thankee.

A really wonderful group-obviously a VAD sister who was a friend of Florence Farmborough's and served in the Balkans. You may be in luck. See here:

http://collections.iwm.org.uk/upload/pdf/Info40.pdf

I would write to them as the VAD records are quite complete and managable-and there are a number of VAD experts out there who might help.

Wow! Really interesting thread. Keep it going lads.

I am 100% ignorant regarding these Balkan states' awards.

Jacques, that is the most interesting photo montauge! The bar top left is a killer! Thank you for expanding my knowledge horizen.

That is a wonderful group!

Well done!

Or he could have been a Sudeten German. @ 1939+ by the Flower war medal.

Tony-

Nice ribbon rack. I reme3mber a time in the USAF when there weren't nearly as many ribbons around. I haven't thought about "tdy" in 25 years.

I would be very grateful if you would, for the sake of medal research and knowledge, expalin how you got each medal.

It would be very interesting and educational.

Thanks,