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There is no roll- yet. One is in progress.

That is a Hanovarian Waterloo...look at the ring. fantastic image.

ah ha! I have type 1!

By the way- that is definitely Shartle. If you google his name- photos of him show up in 1918/19 on the US General Staff as a Colonel. He lived onSpring Street in Portland, Maine and is buried within sight of his first command out in Casco Bay in Evergreen Cemetery next to his wife of 50 years.

ah ha! That is part of the set of Schartle estate Berlin attache’ officers’ photos sold off by the Arringtons and then resold by dealers! Congrats! I may be able to get the Thai prince photo.....I have a lead...... all of these guys were interesting. I suspect there is a damn good book in this set of biographies, if only Rick was still here to enjoy/ write the story.

great photo! Would his “ arrest” file not be in the judiciary archives ?

The badge was an official issue but I thought was officers and WO types only. This guy was not in Mexico- but sports the FJ commemorative/ anniversary medal and the war medal- with two other medals. Glenn would of course be able to say more on this guy.

from the Bavarian Armeemuseum

I can not say for certain without researching first, but there are a number of semi official 1956 medals awarded by various Hungarian institutions after 1991.

Yeah, It looks too “ new” and in spots deliberately aged. Also the stitching pattern and backing look very much like the bars produced by the faker in Vienna.

Just catching up on this thread and two comments: 1. How do you know (Chris) that 5% were awarded postwar? I have seen a tonne of militarbooks over the years where the EK2 was awarded in October/November, 1918 when it was obvious Germany was done or upon demobilization. Are you going by tue Kleitmann statistics? 2. The EK2 noncom was a different animal than the PWMK. In 1870 it was clear that the ribbon denoted a newly minted ( Red Cross advocated) “ noncombatant” status rather than a rear echelon action. Almost nobody got the PWMK for actions under fire (ok- maybe trainmen or postmen) but the Noncom EK2 was heavily awarded to Pastors/ Priests , Medical Doctors and military bureaucrats. Many of the Doctors and Pastors got theirs under heavy fire. In 1914 these same AstArzt types and FeldPfarrers got the EK2 on the black/ white ribbon- denoting combat.

Interesting to argue the prestiege of the award should be “ divided” or parsed out by the ferocity of combat over a longer period of time. Still, the EK mattered culurally and politically far more than most people today realize. It undoubtedly was seen as a “ national award” in 1914 and by 1921 was even more so. I would argue that Hitlers’ EK1 was no small part of his political electability during Weimar. Nonetheless, the huge number of awards as consolation prizes/ participation/ catch up awards in 1918-21 must have “ cheapened “ it. The law of supply and demand is absolute. The rarer a prestigious thing is, the more socially valuable it is. By the way, there are several books sort of on this topic.

What are the German Red Cross books?

The same guy in the Bernie Guenther novels?

nice. Does that have a makers’ mark?