Mike Huxley

Got to agree with you Rick. Just 2 normal EK's that somebody has had engraved and put into a dubious case and added a picture. Whoever has bid this price must be a lunatic.

In the "Ehren Rangliste" 1914-18 it lists Major  Peschke as serving with IR 52 and then going to Kdr of IR20. Retired with Rank of Generalmajor. So I would say it is the same guy as you have in the picture. There is no mention of him serving in GR 12 though.

Mike

19 minutes ago, Stogieman said:

Hesse Order of The Iron Helm, two variations, difficulty shooting the reverse because of the dimensional aspect of the order.

WOW... These are from 1814 & 1815 ...... Outstanding pieces and VERY rare 🤑

10 hours ago, The Prussian said:

Hello Mike!

I assume, you know this page?

https://www.royalsaxonarmy.co.uk/index.php/our-publications

Hi, Yes I do and I have the book "Fighting the Kaiser's War, and very good it is. But thanks for asking.

1 hour ago, Rich said:

I mainly collect British medals, but I have always had a soft spot for the paperwork that comes with the medals from other nations, mostly WW1 and the German side most especially - I think it was from watching All Quiet on the Western Front so many times when I was younger. The Militarpass is a remarkably good document. 

 

It's unfamiliar territory for me, but I've been amazed what can be unearthed about the individual soldiers.

 

 

Your right Rich, with the German pass everything is contained in them, unlike those from the British in WWI. For more information on our troops you have to trawl through masses of archive references just to find out anything on their service record or awards. But, at least our medals are impressed with the name, rank and service number, unlike German awards.

 Thanks for teasing us with these fantastic awards Rick. Whoever own's these must have a bottomless pocket. 🤔

This is the part of military collecting I enjoy the most along with the medal collecting and research.

I have approx 150 Militarpas that I'm slowly going through and trying to trace the backgrounds of the people in them, along with award documents.

My main area of interest is the Saxon Regiments that were on the Flanders front as this ties up with my Grandfather who was with the 23rd London Reg at the battle of Messines on the 7th July 1917 and was wounded there. Finding out about the  Saxon forces that were opposing the attack and the guys in the battalions is a fascinating insight into history.

Mike

Rich, I'd be interested in seeing some more of his Pass, can you post further scans of it please?

Mike

Very nice groups indeed. The QSA's are particularly nice. 

You are correct for the EK2 and I think you are correct about the wound badge, but I can't be sure about that from the bad hand writing.

Mike

The SHM was minted the same from 1849 to 1918 and had the "FU" stamp on the neck of the head. Nimmergut listed the price as 105 euro some years ago. Also During WWI a total of 8299 of the silver awards were given, so not that scarce If that helps you.

Mike

Lovely pair you have there Rick, well done.

22 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

 

I take that back, I finally found proof of his Aviator Commemorative Badge in the Reichswehr Rangliste of 1927, p. 134.

Great research work. It goes to prove that is you dig deep into reference material that you can possible find the answers you are looking for.

In fact I find this side of collecting the most rewarding.

Mike  

I see this one went for just over 408 euro's. That's not bad. Did anybody pick it up from here?

1 hour ago, VtwinVince said:

Depending on your experience with handling German medal bars, it's pretty difficult to pass off a completely new creation as period, there are many tell-tale signs. It takes an extremely good tailor with access to original ribbon and thread, not to mention backing plate and reverse cloth, to pull this off. Even the so-called Schraegstich Faker is easily identified by his work.

Your right about experienced collectors, and I am amongst them for many years. However I am referring to the not so experienced who may be trapped into thinking a piece is genuine. With the rise in methods of reproducing medals it is easy for the unsuspecting to even get caught out by reproductions, as we have seen even on here over the last few years.

I decry any form of reproduction and feel that all those perpetrating this should be called out.

The interest and hobby is about collecting and researching the real bars and medals that were won by many very brave people throughout history, not the replication of made up ones.

That's me finished with this subject.

All the best, Mike

On 11/10/2023 at 23:20, VtwinVince said:

I agree, I've produced a couple of medal bars to replicate lost family pieces.

I also agree with doing the same as you, and in fact did this for my late Father-in-law, who's medals from WWII were lost during a house move. The difference is, his medals were kept in the family and can be backed up by his official service records of awards. My gripe is about reproducing historic bars that have no connection to you and include genuine medals and not ones that are identifiable as replicas. These types of bar can in the future be passed on and find their way onto the open market for vast sums of money, that some poor individual who doesn't have the full knowledge of it's background will buy.

By all means, make a replica bar, but use medals that are fully identifiable as replicas.

3 hours ago, filfoster said:

UPDATE: Well, no one looking at this old thread will care much, but just this morning, the Bavarian 1910 Agricultural Jubilee medal came up on ebay at a reasonable price, so....I will soon swap out the 'ringer' placeholder medal. 

One at a time, I will make it 'alles korrect'.

Well I'm afraid, to me, non of it is correct. To replicate a medal bar, that at some time in the future could be passed on as a genuine piece is sacrilege.

Sorry, but just my opinion.  

2 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

I was wondering about this one as well, since the method of construction looks completely legit.

I thought the same, construction of bar and ribbons are good. But why the hell mount them in that order?

7 hours ago, Stogieman said:

Hey Mike, that’s really weird, is the Silver St. Henry maker marked?

Rick, on blowing the picture up to 400% I think I can make out the "FU" designer initials below the neck on the Obverse of the medal. If this is so, then it should be a genuine St Henry

1 hour ago, Stogieman said:

Hey Mike, that’s really weird, is the Silver St. Henry maker marked?

I can't seem to see a makers mark on the pictures.

Here you go Tommy.

It's on eBay 

Is there a plausible reason that the St Henry medal and the FAM's are mounted in the reverse order? or is this just a made-up bar?

6 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

 

Thanks, Mike ... and probably the Ehrenbecher?! 

Yes, as all did for their 1st kill

Josef Mai was nominated for the PLM, but never received it. His only other awards were:-

GMMK

EK1 & EK2

Pilots Badge

Wound Badge (Black)

6 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

If he was wearing a war ribbon in the buttonhole, the MMC would supercede the EK and be worn with some sort of device, usually swords. In this photo it is clearly not a second war ribbon under the EK. Rumey was a Prussian who served in Jasta 5. Is there a connection between Jasta 5 and another principality?

Rumey full list of awards are:-

PLM

GMMK

EK1, EK2

Bavarian MVK 2 with swords

and Pilots Badge.

I suppose that ribbon under the war ribbon could have been for the MVK2, but that would be highly unusual.

It would also help if we knew when that picture of him was taken as he didn't receive the GMMK until May 12 1918 in Jasta 5

6 minutes ago, gjw said:

Hey Mike, the crown device was just the crown, no Swords and the pilot was an NCO.

 

The crown he wore on the ribbon was of course contrary to regulations and unofficial.

 

Best,

 

Greg

Of course Greg, your right. If it had swords as well, then it would have been the HOH.

However, Rumey also received the PLM on the 10 July 1918 as a then Leutnant and in fact was only 1 of 5 flyers that received both the PLM and the GMMK.