grenadierguardsman

Ha.....cheers Simon.

Andy

Just cleaned them up.

Andy

I have to say that i do believe they are British made. The chain and hook are identical to the Cloak/Cape fittings i have of another Regiment. Thanks again for replying to this Thread.

Andy

Thank you to you both.

Andy

Hi, I've received these off another Forum member ( off another Forum ). I don't know what Regiment or Corps they belong too,and was wondering if anyone can help identify them. Many Thanks.

Andy

Yes i see about the RA badges. I forgot about them.

Andy

Grenadier Guards musicians have the cypher struck on the ball, the grenade you show is just a variant. I believe it would be hard to date to be honest.

Andy

Ive just realised, if that grenade has a slider ( i believe it has ) it will date from around 1903-6 onwards.

Andy

On 1/10/2007 at 16:11, leigh kitchen said:

The Grenadier Guards wear the "flamed grenade" as a cap badge, ranks below full sergeant ("gold sergeant") and other than musicians (the guards term for what the army generally call bandsmen) wear the grenade with no device on the ball.

 

The grenade has been worn since 1896 when it was introduced for wear on the forage cap and continues unchanged in basic design although the materials used have varied.

 

Properly made of a yellow metal whch Kipling & King refer to as being gilding metal rather than brass, a WWI economy issue in brass would have been worn 1916 - c1919, but who can tell the metals apart?

 

K&K 891 refers to these gilding metal badges, as does Gaylor, both show the 17 pointed flame version & make no mention of the other less full flamed versions.

Both show smaller flamed badges but only of the types with devices on the ball, such as the full sergeants & musicians etc.

 

Some collectors feel that the smaller flamed 14, 15, 16 pointed flame badges are Canadian Grenadier Guards badge, but photographs & postcards show these & the 17 point flame badges worn by both British & Canadian.

 

During WWII a plastic economy version was issied, these were to be worn alongside the gilding metal badge, units were not to standardize on one version or the other so some men within a unit could wear brass, others plastic.

Often referred to as "being of "bakelite", these badges were actually of plastic.

 

Later an gold coloured anodised aluminium version was issued, and a cloth embroidered version of a noticably different design to the norm.

 

A blackened yellow metal version of the badge was also issued.

 

This photo shows a badge with 18 points to the flames:

I think you'll find that Musicians wear the Grenade with the cypher struck on the ball of the grenade and not a plain grenade. Also the grenade as a cap badge was or has been worn from about the 1830-40's.

Andy

Thanks service pub, that's a nice one.

Andy

​Stuart, was the Pagri intended to come off the hat ?

Sorry if silly question.

Andy

​Thank you Stuart.

Andy

​Stuart, could you tell me if the cap star is lugged or has it a slider. Would it be possible to have a close up picture of the front and rear if possible.

Many thanks

Andy

​Hi, would it be possible to have a copy of the top picture please.

Andy

Leigh, i'm new to this forum. my main interest are collecting badge's ( grenade ) to the Grenadier Guards. I am and have been now for many years trying to find out when the Grenade ( metal ) was first worn as a cap badge. I know Kipling and King say from 1898, i believe this to be wrong. The Grenade was worn during the Crimea, on the albert cap/bonnet, however this may not have been metal. There are loads of photographs out there of Grenadiers wearing the Grenade and indeed the Pagri badge. Many of these photo's predate 1898. When i can i'll start posting some photo's.

Cheers Andy