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On 8/12/2009 at 17:29, Noor said:

Hi guys,

 

Here is my today's arrivals - all nice U.S. ribbon bars. But because I don't know much about that area, can you please have a look, confirm that I got ribbons right, help to ID some and if you don't mind, please feel free to add some extra information about them.

 

Ok, lets start....

 

Bar No. 1

 

Nice 13 award ribbons/5 row bar on the felt. I presume this owner was officer, am I correct?

 

Awards;

1. Legion of Merit (??????)

2. Silver Star

3. Bronze Star

4. Army Commendation Medal

5. Army Good Conduct Medal

6. American Defence Service Medal

7. American Campaign Medal

8. European - Africa - Middle Eastern Campaign Medal (Star on it means battles?)

9. World War II Victory Medal

10. Army of Occupation Medal

11. National Defence Service Medal (what this leave indicate?)

12. Korean Service Medal with two stars (Stars again?)

13. United Nations Service Medal (for Korea?)

 

 

First off, nice ribbon bar.  This guys was most likely an officer, WW2 and Korean Veteran.  Silver Stars are pretty easy to track down because they are all recorded, however, without a name, you may have a tough time.

To answer your questions

1) Oakleaf on the NSDM:  Means a second award, however, this owner did not know the regulations because the NDSM normally has a Bronze Service star on it.  

2) The Korean Service medal seems to have one Silver Campaign star and one Bronze and does the EMEACM (has one Bronze Star)  This means that this person qualified for 6 battle campaigns during the Korean Conflict.  My Grandpa has 4x Bronze Campaign Stars on his. 

3)  The last ribbon is the UN Medal for Korea.

Hope this helps.

Is it just me or do the Bronze IABs look better than the Silver ones.  Very nice Stew

14 minutes ago, hucks216 said:

Dr Adolf Frank was indeed killed in action on the 12th September (see attachment from the Volksbund). It wouldn't be standard practice to be awarded anything just for being killed n action but it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that he was killed carrying out an action that would see him being posthumously awarded an EK II.

Unfortunately the files held in NARA for 2.Gebirgs-Division are plentiful but don't start until January 1940. It might be worth looking into the Officer Files held at NARA (and BA-MA I believe) although there is no guarantee that his personnel file is still available. They are in the A-3356 series and his file (if it still exists) would be in Roll 191 (Fort to Frank, Willi). As the Rolls cost approx $120 each (CD-Rom) it might be worth employing a researcher to have a look to see if his file exists and to get a copy of it - but depending on his costs and how many (if any) pages need copying it might be cheaper getting the Roll.

Huck, thanks for the reply.  I will pass this to my friend.

Recently my friend acquired a GJR 137 Waffenrock for  Adolf Frank (name in tunic).  We are trying to find out if this officer was awarded any medals or badges either from WW1 or WW2.  This is what we have found so far:

ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!!

This website lists all the key leaders for GJR 137 in early 1939, and confirms that Hauptmann Dr. Frank was the Kompanie Chef for 2nd CO / I. Battalion / GJR 137
http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung.blogspot.com/2008/07/gebirgsjger-regiment-137-gebjgrgt137-d.html
 

19 hours ago, dedehansen said:

Hi, I´ve never before been at the MAX show

I believe that is the badge for geprüfter Schirrmeister on a Paradewaffenrock

Regards
Andreas

That looks pretty sharp Andreas.  I am so confused on the many different placements of these badges.  Was there a regulation on placement of these?

7 hours ago, dedehansen said:

Yes it is an infantry radio operator NCO

But I´m not an uniform specialist, I can only show things from my collection

Regards
Andreas

Andreas,  Thanks.  BTW are you going to the MAX show this year and are you setting up a table?

Go to Medals of America Website and go to "Rack Builder" and you can see the authorized order of precedence.

2 minutes ago, dedehansen said:

Hi, I´m not sure what you´re looking for?!

A thing like that?
Regards
Andreas

Andreas, That is exactly what I was looking for and thank you for posting.  I find it interesting that I have seen some photos of these "trade badges" on either arm lower and upper sleeves.  A collector friend of my mine stated that he believed they were supposed to be posted on the upper Right sleeve, however I saw some on the lower sleeves. So I figured that I would get a correct answer (with examples) on here.  Was there an actual regulation for this?  The photo that you so kindly shared is for an infantry radio operator correct?

Pretty neat.  I have always wanted to do that.

Lately I have been reading about the special trades (and patches associated with them) for the entire Wehrmacht.  I am assuming some of you have some amazing tunics out there that have trade badges on them.  What was the regulation of where they were supposed to be located on the sleeve.  I have seen some on the lower Right, lower left, and upper right on the sleeves.  I am a little confuse with their placement.  I thought that all trade insignia were located on the lower left of the sleeve on tunics and waffenrocks.

if you have one of these tunics I would love to see it.

Thanks for taking the time to read my topic.  I am looking forward to a great conversation.

That is quite a set up.  Did you build the wood shelves?  There are some hidden gems in there.

If I didn't have three young ones taking up the basement as a Play one, I would do my display a little different thank I have.  I have a multiple leveled bookshelf that takes up the entire small wall of our basement.  The top shelves contain my collection by period and service and the bottom shelves are my books.  My three tunics that I have are on heavy duty hangers on the wall where the kids can't grab (even though they never mess with my stuff) until I buy me three torsos.

Eventually, when I retire from and we build our permanent home, I am going to store all of my stuff in a Fire Room in case our house ever burns down.  I want to Red Light also.

Hopefully my collection continues to grow.  All of my hobbies (Militaria related to Family and guns (working) are expensive so it happens a little at a time.

This has turned out to be a great conversation.

6 hours ago, Stuka f said:

I might have expressed me badly; I would love to find ss stuff, but it never happend.

I once came very close to it (flemish volunteer uniform!) , but missed it....

I am in antiques in general and clear houses now and then. A few weeks ago I had to clear  a house that belonged to Frans Van Immerseel ( https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frans_Van_Immerseel ) but no WWII related remained....

My collection is build up of mainly occasional finds; things that crossed my path at affordable prices.

The children ar on theyr own now, but we bought a new (old ) house that needs to be redone, so collection is slow.

My main intrest goes to Belgian Congo and my home city Antwerp. I collect anything related to those themes.

Also love trains, planes, cars, boats, toys, etc.

I started collecting militaria again since 2005 (after a stop of  nearly 30 years), here is a photo book I made in 2014.

Some of the items are no longer part of the collection, but I need to up date it. 

http://www.albelli.be/onlinefotoboek-delen/486a5276-ddb8-47bf-b5b1-4d00548ce564

Also have old polaroids of my primary collection (with some ss stuff), they must be here somwhere on the forum.

 

Stuka, I looked at your book.  That is a pretty amazing collection.  I assume that you Metal Detect and found a lot of that stuff.  I really liked the Suit of Armor (pp 2-3), the display (pp 28-29), Compass (pp 40-41), the Pike (pp 56-57), and your edged weapons.  Quite amazing.

Thanks for sharing.

1 hour ago, Jock Auld said:

Odd comment, do you mean you did not sell it as a WL tab and made 'some cash' at someone elses loss?  It is not particularly valuable in that state.

No, Jock,  I sold it as an "unknown tab"  with the possibility of it being SS/SD. I made that very clear in the item description on the auction sight.  When the guy originally emailed me afterwards, I told him that at the time I did not have a clue what it was, but it was original and he bought under that accord. I am sure that he thought it was SD or something, but after the conversation on here, I told what I found out so he can do what he wants with it.  I am just glad that I made money off of it is what I was saying because I had no use for it.  It came in a lot that I bought at an estate auction in the US that bidded on.  I use the stuff from large lots that I buy at auctions to fund my personal collecting.

Why would I post something on here to brag that I intentionally ripped someone off?  I posted it in order to get validation for the buyer.  The community of militaria collecting is too small and there are too many jerks already out there selling fakes and crap of the sort and I am not one of them.  And why after finding out the true nature of the tab, would I get back in contact with the man who bought it if I was trying to rip him off?

I appreciate your comment and concern, but please don't accuse me of something that I did not do.

What is the background on it?  Looks to be a Badener.

That is quite a unique ensemble.  Congrats.

1 hour ago, Stuka f said:

I am not complaining! I had my share all ready. But never ϟϟ items....

I completely understand that and respect you for it.  Most of my collection have come from family members or relate to Family members units.  This is my first and last SS item unless she sends me more.  I am still trying to find a Waffenrock or Combat tunic for Pioneer Battalion NR. 22 (Part of the 22d Infanterie Division) because my great grandpa's youngest brother was in that.  After that, I am most likely done with TRM.  I barely can afford the stuff.  This recent tunic restoration was the most money that I have dropped on something since 2010.  Another Nice to have thing would be to have an Algerian French Foreign Legion Uniform (always had a thing for the FFL). 

I haven't bought anything new in years.  When you have kids, they become the priority.

What do you collect and what is your rarest item?  I would love to hear about what you have.

I doubt it is something that extreme.  Hell...it could just be junk.  Even his issued items would be great.  This is probably the climax of the find.  The original "stripped" (minus Cuff Title and rank tab) tunic was found in a box in the closet along with some patches and stuff.  It was being used as padding for some old Coo-Koo clocks and pocket watches brought back from Germany.  Glad that she pulled if out instead of just throwing the box away.

57 minutes ago, Spasm said:

Cedar trunks in the attic that should never be opened.........blimey, I wonder what they could be hiding?

Spasm,  I am hoping she finds that German pistol and some other goodies.  I also told her to not dismiss any paperwork in order to prove providence for everything.  I still can't believe she was going to throw it all away.  As I get more stuff in, I will post pictures.  Thanks for your interest.

3 hours ago, Stuka f said:

I can imagine.I am looking forward for a find like that (for myself (lol!!)).

Can you believe Stuka that she called me and asked if I wanted it because she was going to throw all of the German stuff away?  She is 60 and just wanted to hold onto her Dad's stuff (the US stuff).  When I get all of the stuff that she is sending I will post more photos.  I also got a EM SS Buckle and some other smaller things in the last package, so once I get my mannequin (upper torso) I am going to place the SS tunic on that.

She told me that there are two more Cedar Chests in the attic that her father always told her and her siblings to never open, so I am thinking there may be some more treasures waiting to be discovered.  Things that I have seen before that I know she has are a SS Dagger, HJ Knife, Sword  (unknown), and another edged weapon.  She does remember as a kid that he also used to shoot a German handgun (unknown what it was) that he used to shoot with my Grandpa and his brother along with his brothers so I am waiting for her to find that.  It is definitely nice that she is giving me all of it. 

Before her dad got hurt during Market Garden (he was in gliders), he was in the 101st ABN Division then finally ended in 100th (Light Infantry) so I am hoping that he kept his uniforms because I would like to have those also.

You live in Europe so I am sure something will pop up.  It seems to always do.

On 8/22/2009 at 22:16, bob wirtz said:

Here is another view of the exhibit... from the other side.

 

Bob

Love the Panzer Uniform Bob.  Lucky man.

On 2/8/2013 at 01:10, devincu said:

Hello I am new to the forum and I would like to show you the uniform I found in a friends attic a few days before Christmas this year. His father was a Private First Class in the US 2nd Infantry Division and came onto Omaha Beach D-Day X 2 From the story I am now getting from the man is his father was part of the group that liberated Leipzig-Schönefeld which was a subcamp of the Buchenwald concentration

camp. I guess his father found this uniform at the camp because some of the SS Soldiers that were working there changed out of their uniforms into civilian attire when the US forces were getting close. Anyway this uniform was sitting in my friends fathers attic for years. He said his brother and him used to dress up in the uniform when they were kids playing WAR. I hope you enjoy the photos and any comments or questions are welcome.

Awesome find.  Even better than mine!

Given to members of the LW HG Division authorized by HG himself.

38 minutes ago, Stuka f said:

Very nice

Stuka thanks man.  This and some of my Baden WW1 stuff are prized pieces in my collection.  I really need to get my tunic onto a Male Torso Mannequin and put a SS M43 or Overseas hat with it along with my SS Belt.  Not too bad for something from a  family member.

Hello

About two months ago, my second Cousin sent me some of her father's stuff that he brought back during the War.  (There are photos of him on here in the family photo section.)Inside one package was a a Obershutze GvB tunic that.  Family story was he gave the German POW food for it after he was captured during Operation Nordwind.  I have her looking for the Bringback Certificate now.  

When I got it, the collar tabs and sleeve eagle were missing.  

I had the tunic verified as original by some US Waffen SS Collectors whose names all well known in the community. It is a definitely combat worn.  I had the pocket resewn (was torn)  the collar tabs and sleeve eagle resewn to complete the tunic (professional restorer who does stuff for the Ruptured Duck). 

I am quite happy with everything since it will most likely be the only WSS tunic that I will ever own.  It was really neat that that this was found in my Great Uncle's attic after all of these years.  

I am working on getting some more stuff in the mail.

I hope that all of you enjoy the pictures.

BTW.  The Badge locations on the pocket are exactly where the Soldier had them pinned through the pocket so yes they are that close.

Nice group.  What do you know about him.  I see a German Wound Badge in Gold.  Did a wound disfigure him and he was let go of service?  Would love to hear the story about it.  Thanks for sharing.