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Hello Gents, Here's a brief update regarding the process I've managed to make pertaining to this Officer. I haven't been able to upload the relevant war diary pages yet for the dates in question, but hopefully I'll get them added in the immediate future. Although I haven't learned everything about his stint with the RAMC, I did however learn the following facts, both via British 33rd Field Ambulance, WW1 War Diary, Year of 1918. 1 ) On 25 April 1918, Lieutenant. A. O. Raymond reported for duty at QIIA85 2 ) On 29 September 1918, Lieutenant. A. O. Raymond, M.O.R.C., USA proceeded at 4:15 pm today to report to O/C 7th South Staffordshire Debt for duty - vice Capt. Clark, RAMC wounded. Location noted was Cherisy, O26d86, Sheet 51B Well, at least I'm moving along somewhat, but reading through those War Diary pages can become quite tedious ! ( Imagine If they were actually searchable ? ) Now, I would like to learn when & how he arrived with the 33rd Field Ambulance, as he didn't show up there until 25th of April 1918. If he arrived vin the U.K. during February 1917, where was he for over a year ? I know he had duty with some Orthopaedic unit soon after arriving, but I don't think he would have remained with them for that length of time ? I'm certain that Medical Officers of were desperately needed by that period over in France & Flanders, right ? Best, Dom P. / dpast32 Hello Gents, Here's a brief update regarding the process I've managed to make pertaining to this Officer. I haven't been able to upload the relevant war diary pages yet for the dates in question, but hopefully I'll get them added in the immediate future. Although I haven't learned everything about his stint with the RAMC, I did however learn the following facts, both via British 33rd Field Ambulance, WW1 War Diary, Year of 1918. 1 ) On 25 April 1918, Lieutenant. A. O. Raymond reported for duty at QIIA85 2 ) On 29 September 1918, Lieutenant. A. O. Raymond, M.O.R.C., USA proceeded at 4:15 pm today to report to O/C 7th South Staffordshire Debt for duty - vice Capt. Clark, RAMC wounded. Location noted was Cherisy, O26d86, Sheet 51B Well, at least I'm moving along somewhat, but reading through those War Diary pages can become quite tedious ! ( Imagine If they were actually searchable ? ) Now, I would like to learn when & how he arrived with the 33rd Field Ambulance, as he didn't show up there until 25th of April 1918. If he arrived vin the U.K. during February 1917, where was he for over a year ? I know he had duty with some Orthopaedic unit soon after arriving, but I don't think he would have remained with them for that length of time ? I'm certain that Medical Officers of were desperately needed by that period over in France & Flanders, right ? Best, Dom P. / dpast32

Hello Gents, Here's a brief update regarding the process I've managed to make pertaining to this Officer. I haven't been able to upload the relevant war diary pages yet for the dates in question, but hopefully I'll get them added in the immediate future. Although I haven't learned everything about his stint with the RAMC, I did however learn the following facts, both via British 33rd Field Ambulance, WW1 War Diary, Year of 1918. 1 ) On 25 April 1918, Lieutenant. A. O. Raymond reported for duty at QIIA85 2 ) On 29 September 1918, Lieutenant. A. O. Raymond, M.O.R.C., USA proceeded at 4:15 pm today to report to O/C 7th South Staffordshire Debt for duty - vice Capt. Clark, RAMC wounded. Location noted was Cherisy, O26d86, Sheet 51B Well, at least I'm moving along somewhat, but reading through those War Diary pages can become quite tedious ! ( Imagine If they were actually searchable ? ) Now, I would like to learn when & how he arrived with the 33rd Field Ambulance, as he didn't show up there until 25th of April 1918. If he arrived vin the U.K. during February 1917, where was he for over a year ? I know he had duty with some Orthopaedic unit soon after arriving, but I don't think he would have remained with them for that length of time ? I'm certain that Medical Officers of were desperately needed by that period over in France & Flanders, right ? Best, Dom P. / dpast32

Here is the reference to Lieutenant Raymond I just mentioned, via the above noted GWF Link. Raymond, Lieut. A. O. (American Army). Joined, Sept., 1918. Returned to 33rd Field Ambulance, 24/2/1919.

Good Morning My Friend, First, I wish to apologize my not looking into the GWF Forum Post a little deeper, as I really should have known better. I've been quite busy around home this past week or so, as we've had to deal with 2 not insignificant snow storms, of 9", then 3 days later another 8", with another round predicted later today or tomorrow !! Ohhh boy, what fun !! Honestly I'm getting too old for all of this. As much as I will miss my New England, it just might be time to relocate to Florida. So, between cleaning up the snow, I've been trying to compile whatever I can locate regarding Raymond. I've managed to download everything I turned up, but unfortunately am not able to print out any of it until my printer cartridges arrive, which hopefully will be in a few more days !! [ Never, ever had an issue finding ink for my printer, except recently !! My ctgs, if you can actually find any available, have risen in price over $20 each ctg. ] OK, back to Raymond ! The War Diary entry which you so kindly just sent me also allows us to 'track' his progress throughout the War years. At least at this point, I can now begin to assemble an chronology of service, both with the U.K. Forces through to the U.S. - A.E.F., & further on down the line until his eventual return home to the U.S. Based upon just what I've determined so far, it appears that much of his Post War career was spent as a local Physician, based in Worcester, Massachusetts. I'm sure there's more to his 'story', of which I will eventually learn sooner or later. And as for you my Friend, I AGAIN THANK YOU so very much for all of your continued assistance, & also wish to say that if there's anything you may ever need that you may think I might be able to provide, PLEASE feel free to just ask !! Best, Dom / dpast32 Just for the record, we're currently undergoing another 3" +/- as I write this !! Florida is looking better & better !! I do have an update of sorts pertaining to Let. Raymond, which I don't know how I missed it during my initial searches ? I just now turned it up, & have yet to actually read into it. However, it appears as if someone was searching for Officers within the 7th South Staffordshire's & made reference to Lieut. A. O. Raymond !! As soon as I'm done with my snow duty, I can't wait to delve into it !! LINK: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/201832-identity-of-7th-south-staffs-officers/ Best, Dom

Good Morning My Friend, First, I wish to apologize my not looking into the GWF Forum Post a little deeper, as I really should have known better. I've been quite busy around home this past week or so, as we've had to deal with 2 not insignificant snow storms, of 9", then 3 days later another 8", with another round predicted later today or tomorrow !! Ohhh boy, what fun !! Honestly I'm getting too old for all of this. As much as I will miss my New England, it just might be time to relocate to Florida. So, between cleaning up the snow, I've been trying to compile whatever I can locate regarding Raymond. I've managed to download everything I turned up, but unfortunately am not able to print out any of it until my printer cartridges arrive, which hopefully will be in a few more days !! [ Never, ever had an issue finding ink for my printer, except recently !! My ctgs, if you can actually find any available, have risen in price over $20 each ctg. ] OK, back to Raymond ! The War Diary entry which you so kindly just sent me also allows us to 'track' his progress throughout the War years. At least at this point, I can now begin to assemble an chronology of service, both with the U.K. Forces through to the U.S. - A.E.F., & further on down the line until his eventual return home to the U.S. Based upon just what I've determined so far, it appears that much of his Post War career was spent as a local Physician, based in Worcester, Massachusetts. I'm sure there's more to his 'story', of which I will eventually learn sooner or later. And as for you my Friend, I AGAIN THANK YOU so very much for all of your continued assistance, & also wish to say that if there's anything you may ever need that you may think I might be able to provide, PLEASE feel free to just ask !! Best, Dom / dpast32

THANKS YOU Tony, I appreciate your kind reply. In reference to the question surrounding an 'Meritorious' M.C., as opposed to one awarded for 'Gallantry' is one which is apparently still discussed. I too am attempting to confirm which type of M.C. was awarded to the subject of my recent query, 1st Lieutenant Albert Orville n Raymond, RAMC / U.S. Army Medical Corps. Just based upon his 'Citation Document', it appears to have been of the 'Meritorious' type ? However, also based on the Document, it refers to his service with the 7th Battalion of the South Staffordshire Regiment. From what little reading I've accomplished in the last week, it appears to have been standard for the RAMC Command to make certain that their young Physicians were at least 'initiated' via a short period as near to the Front Lines as feasible. ( I'm not sure if this particular practice was also implemented on British Doctors, as the text I read pertained primarily to U.S. Doctors in British service. I honestly don't have any reason to think British personnel were exempt from this practice ? ) Even though Lieut. Raymond's Citation states 'Meritorious Service', it also specifically refers to the fact he was 'attached to the 7th So. Staff's, which may have been included to note that his tenure with them was near, and or on the Front Lines ? I did manage to download the complete WW1 War Diary of the 7th, but as I can find no way to actually search within it for Lt. / Dr. Raymond's name, I will have to read through each & every page from February 1917 onwards, which is when I surmise he was assigned to the unit ? If anyone happens to know of an easier way to accomplish searching the Diaries, I would love to hear about it ? THANKS Gentleman, Regards, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com

Hello again Gents, I 'think' I may already know the answer to this query, but I always prefer to confirm via someone a bit more versed in the subject than myself. It is in reference to the above mentioned 1st Lieutenant. / Captain Albert O. Raymond, M.C. formerly of the RAMC & U.S. Army's Medical Corps. We've determined that he was awarded the BWM, but IIRC, his example would have been issued unnamed ? I seem to recall reading this somewhere along the way over my years of collecting. Although I have 'an idea' that this may be the case, I am not absolutely certain about it. Can anyone please advise on this issue ? As always, any & all replies will be most deeply appreciated. THANKS Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com

Hello again Gents, I 'think' I may already know the answer to this query, but I always prefer to confirm via someone a bit more versed in the subject than myself. It is in reference to the above mentioned 1st Lieutenant. / Captain Albert O. Raymond, M.C. formerly of the RAMC & U.S. Army's Medical Corps. We've determined that he was awarded the BWM, but IIRC, his example would have been issued unnamed ? I seem to recall reading this somewhere along the way over my years of collecting. Although I have 'an idea' that this may be the case, I am not absolutely certain about it. Can anyone please advise on this issue ? As always, any & all replies will be most deeply appreciated. THANKS Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com

See what I meant ? I couldn't comprehend the 7th rule, although it apparently didn't remain in effect very long. THANKS YET AGAIN !! This was my very 1st M.C. I have an MBE, along with a couple of M.M.'s, but never an M.C. until now.

THANKS AGAIN !! I also came across something I've never heard of before. Again, according to Abbott & Tamplin's Chapter 32 concerning the M.C, he LISTA an order of sorts claiming that any recipient of an M.C. would not be authorized to add the M.C. after his name ? Now I for one have never heard this, but it is there on page 217, near the top of page, under 'Seventhly'. It states; "It is ordained that the Military Cross shall not confer any individual precedence, and shall not entitle the recipient to any addition after his name as part of his description or title". [ verbatim ] What's up with that ?? I've frequently observed British Officers sporting numerous award initials after their names ? Perhaps there's more to this, but as my expertise is not the Military Cross, I can't say for sure. I did note in Abbott & Tamplin that of the 320 or so M.C.'s awarded to U.S. Forces, an miniscule number were awarded for 'meritorious' & or 'services to the war effort'. Raymond's award just might be amongst the rarer versions ?

OK My Friends, Here we go, 'Listen my fellow collectors and you shall hear, a discovery of which I find quite dear' !! BE ADVISED, I have found the darn thing that's been literally driving me nuts the past 3 days !! I knew I had read it somewhere ? Well it wasn't in the Gazette as had initially suspected, nor at the PRO. I had originally found it within an obscure little publication, a booklet really which I've had in my library for years. [ RE: "British Decorations Awarded to the American Army". Compiled by the late Col. Albert Gleim in 1982, Pub. No. 9 of the Planchet Press Series. The author notes the assistance of John Sampling, of the O.M.R.S. ] It's basically an compilation of U.K. War Office Awards Lists of the WW1 era. The List I was seeking is Titled; ©>>> "British Decorations Awarded To The Allied Armies" List No. 40, War Office, 18 July 1919. Just as found with most L.G. 'Mentions', Lieut. Raymond's notice is also expecedly brief. It's listed of course under the 'Military Cross Awards' heading, & it reads as follows; >> "1st Lieut. Albert Orville Raymond, M.O.R.C., Attd. 7th Bn., South Staffordshire Regiment." [ Verbatim ] <<<© So, even though I didn't find it within the Gazette, I have to accept that this reference is probably the next best thing. And, if anyone happens across any information relevant to this M.C., I would love to hear from them. I WISH TO THANK ANYONE & EVERYONE WHO SO KINDLY REPLIED TO MY QUERY, IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. . Best, Dom Pastore Jr. / dpast32@aol.com

Hello Guys, Just for the record, if you have access to Abbott & Trampling "British Gallantry Awards", they report within their Chapter 32, page[s] 217 - 218 that indeed some early M.C.'s had been awarded for 'Distinguished & Meritorious Services', circa 1915 - 1916, & not necessarily 'under enemy fire, and or at the front'. However, it apparently became known by more than just a few Officers that this particular practice practice had been going on, & on 01 January 1917 A Directive was issued to cease this practice as far as possible, & restrict M.C. awards to the 'Fighting Services'. [ See: page 218, bottom ] Honestly, at this point I probably would have begun to assume that Lieutenant Raymond's M.C. had been one that simply was never Gazette, as was the case with some awards. BUT, I myself have viewed his Gazette Entry, so I am certain that it exists & I just haven't found it yet. How I wish I could recall what I did with it, or where I filled it !!! I'll find the Bugger, sooner or later !!

THANK YOU AGAIN Trooper D, I truly do appreciate your very kind assistance with this extremely annoying issue !! I'm sure you know how it is when you've read something not all that long ago, & now you just can't find it again !! I distinctly recall his L.G. Entry stating his award of the M.C., along with him being attached to the 7th Bn, South Staff's. As par normal, it was only about 3 or so lines, but it most definitely referred to that unit. I'm closely scrutinizing everything you've sent me, in addition to whatever data I've turned up on my own. Hopefully, between it all just maybe it may help lead me towards my ultimate 'prize', his actual L.G. Military Cross award documentation ? I have learned over the years that sometimes these searches can be quite long, drawn out projects. Years ago I was seeking the Citation for an American Soldier's M.M., which I had been advised by numerous knowledgable people that I would never find !! Well, I did eventually locate it, within n the U.K Foreign Office Files at the PRO / Kew. And just for the record, what an extremely interesting account it proved to be !! So, although I really hate to wait for things, sometimes it simply can't be helped. 'The search shall continue' !! THANKS again for all your continued interest. Best, Dom

Hello Gents, The following is an relatively simple question, although I don't happen to know the answer to it. On the 'bottom right' of the above M.I.C. are 2 notations. Do they by any chance refer to an L.G. Reference ? I am STILL searching for this mans Gazette notice announcing his Military Cross award, but just can't seem to turn it up. I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that it exists, as I specifically referred to it in a Query Post I made about a year ago. I must be looking in the wrong place ? All I can think of is that perhaps it's listed undervthe Foreign Office heading, as the recipient was an American ?? Does it appear anywhere in one of the pubs pertaining to WW1 M.C. Listings ? ANY additional input here will be very much appreciated !! THANK YOU Folks, Best, Dom P.

Sorry 'Trooper D' for my slightly belated reply & my overwhelmingly HUGE THANK YOU for your very kind reply to this query !!!! I was, up until reading your reply this morning, starting to become resigned to the fact that I was in for quite a long & exhaustive slog to find what I was looking for. And, what really drove me nuts was that I distinctly recalled 'solving' this issue, but due to it not being mine at the time, I neglected to actually file the information as I would have done if it was related to one of my groups. In addition to you have so kindly provided, I also located his M.I.C. at the PRO, which in itself I thought was somewhat unusual ? [ See below ] I was, & still am under the assumption he was an American U.S. Army Doctor serving with / attached to an RAMC unit. Along with the M.I.C. I found another L.G. Entry related to his being confirmed as an Lieutenant, RAMC. I still have much, much more work to do here, but THANKS to you, I am now certain as to his assigned unit, which as you well know, will allow me to search the relevant War Diaries for any mentions. I'm fairly sure that this particular M.C. was more or less a sort of 'Service Award', as opposed to an actual Gallantry 'Immediate' Award. [ Although, we've all been surprised before, right ? ] I'll try to update this Post upon my locating any new data, and or relevant information. THANKS AGAIN 'Trooper D', your reply was extremely appreciated !! Take care, Best regards, Dom Pastore Jr. / dpast32@aol.com Hello Gents, The following is an relatively simple question, although I don't happen to know the answer to it. On the 'bottom right' of the above M.I.C. are 2 notations. Do they by any chance refer to an L.G. Reference ? I am STILL searching for this mans Gazette notice announcing his Military Cross award, but just can't seem to turn it up. I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that it exists, as I specifically referred to it in a Query Post I made about a year ago. I must be looking in the wrong place ? All I can think of is that perhaps it's listed undervthe Foreign Office heading, as the recipient was an American ?? Does it appear anywhere in one of the pubs pertaining to WW1 M.C. Listings ? ANY additional input here will be very much appreciated !! THANK YOU Folks, Best, Dom P.

Sorry 'Trooper D' for my slightly belated reply & my overwhelmingly HUGE THANK YOU for your very kind reply to this query !!!! I was, up until reading your reply this morning, starting to become resigned to the fact that I was in for quite a long & exhaustive slog to find what I was looking for. And, what really drove me nuts was that I distinctly recalled 'solving' this issue, but due to it not being mine at the time, I neglected to actually file the information as I would have done if it was related to one of my groups. In addition to you have so kindly provided, I also located his M.I.C. at the PRO, which in itself I thought was somewhat unusual ? [ See below ] I was, & still am under the assumption he was an American U.S. Army Doctor serving with / attached to an RAMC unit. Along with the M.I.C. I found another L.G. Entry related to his being confirmed as an Lieutenant, RAMC. I still have much, much more work to do here, but THANKS to you, I am now certain as to his assigned unit, which as you well know, will allow me to search the relevant War Diaries for any mentions. I'm fairly sure that this particular M.C. was more or less a sort of 'Service Award', as opposed to an actual Gallantry 'Immediate' Award. [ Although, we've all been surprised before, right ? ] I'll try to update this Post upon my locating any new data, and or relevant information. THANKS AGAIN 'Trooper D', your reply was extremely appreciated !! Take care, Best regards, Dom Pastore Jr. / dpast32@aol.com

Hello Gentlemen, I fear that I am in need of some assistance on this one ! { RE: 1st LIEUTENANT Albert Orville RAYMOND, MEDICAL CORPS, U. S. ARMY, WW1 era. Hometown was; Brocktown, Massachusetts, USA. Born: 1889 / Died: 1955 } I've searched now for over 2 days, but no luck, other than a mention of the U.K. based 'Forces War Records' Site. They note he served as an Lieutenant, assigned to an Orthopaedic Unit, attached to the Royal Army Medical Corps. No mention however about his being an American, and or being awarded the Military Cross ? His original M.C. Document does note his being 'attached to the 7th Battalion'. NOW, the truly sad part of all this is that I have already documented this M.C., & located the respective L.G. Reference data about a year or two ago !!! Do you think I can find it now, no !it I've looked all over for it. IIRC, the Gazette entry specified which 7th Battalion he served with, along with some related information. Only problem now is I just can't seem to perform an successful search for it !!! If anyone would PLEASE assist me in locating his particular L.G. Reference, I will truly be EXTREMELY APPRECIATIVE. Best regards, Dom Pastore Jr. / dpast32@aol.com

Hello Gents, I'm attempting to obtain a copy of this R.N. Petty Officer's Pension, but even though I've looked at the PRO, I can't find where to actually perform a search for it ? If anyone could PLEASE point me in the right direction here, I'll be most appreciative. HE WAS: P.O. 1st Roger Joseph STEELE, R.N. No. 95097. Born Crumlin, Antrim, Ireland on 04 October 1860. Entered R.N. as Boy 2c in 1876, & served with R.N. & HMCG throughout until his being Retired on 27 July 1917, & was awarded Pension No. 16228, along with receiving SWB No. 15703. I would truly love to obtain his Pension, & perhaps it might include his official date of death. ANY assistance here will be very much appreciated. THANK YOU Best, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com

THANK YOU Odin Mk 3, very much !! For some reason, I never received any notice of your replies here, hence my only replying to my now. I just replied a few minutes ago to another of your very kind replies. Hopefully, with everyone's kind assistance I'm making good progress. THANKS AGAIN, Best, Dom P. / dpast32

SORRY Odin Mk 3, I just happened across your reply this minute. I had been advised on an an other Forum regarding my obtaining a copy of Jim Kemp's book, & I attempted to contact him in reference to purchasing a copy. That was now a few days ago, & I still haven't received a reply ? So, after my being advised as to the extremely limited number of copies printed I felt I had better jump on the one copy I found available. ( You don't even want to know what I paid for it !! ) I have always held high regards for Met. Police Medals, but my many other collecting pursuits tended to keep me otherwise engaged. Well, now it's time for Met. venture !! I have enough odds & ends to sell off to find my Met. collecting, so I'm looking forward to it for the time being. So far, I've only picked up 2, an 1887, w/ 1897 Clasp to No. 69188, PS William WILSON, & a nice 3 pc Group to No. 69947, PC Henry WATERS. Off course my ultimate goal remains in obtaining an Group attributed to someone who served in 'H Division' throughout 1888 - 1889, the 'Ripper years'. ( And, I'm certain that I'm not alone in this quest ! ) Once my copy of Kemp's pub. arrives, hopefully I should have a better knowledge base in reference to my pending purchases. I THANK Both you Odin Mk 3, & Danny980 for all of your very kind assistance here, I really do appreciate it. Best, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com

Hi Guys, I'm doing my best to acquaint myself with UK Metropolitan Police Medals, & although I'm moving along, albeit somewhat slowly, I still have a few questions that unless I learn the answers, I remain uncertain as to move forward with some of my potential purchases ? A case in point is; Some medals when researched via the PRO, or Ancestry UK will indicate an middle name in addition to of course the first name. However, the medal is named to just the first initial, with no mention of the middle ? Was this a common, accepted practice, or did it depend upon how the recipient wished his medal named or ? One of my recent acquisitions exhibits this very same issue. Upon checking his Pension File, I noted an middle name, although no middle initial was indicated on his medal ? PLEASE, any comments or input regarding this particular issue will be deeply appreciated. THANKS Best, Dom P. / dpast32

THANK YOU so very much Danny980, I feel appreciate not very kind assistance !!! I had initially been hesitant to purchase this Group, due primarily to a combination of an incorrect reference to his 1902 issue, along with my not be able to locate information about his being reinstated for the 1911 Coronation event. THANKS to your assistance, I was also to dispel my final issue, & went ahead to purchase the Group. Now, all I need is a copy of Kemp's book, which I do foolishly neglected to purchase when I had the chance !! Sooner or later I'll hopefully. find a copy for sale at a 'fair' price, but until I'll just continue to cover !! THANKS AGAIN Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com

THANK YOU Danny, So very much, I really appreciate it !! ( I do hope you weren't one of the people I was bidding against ? ) I, as well as yourself, absolutely HATE greedy sellers who knowingly break up groups just to squeeze an extra few dollars / pounds out of them !!! Speaking of 3 pc Groups, I just purchased the following Group. I found one potential match via Ancestry UK, but he doesn't appear to have been entitled to the 1911 Coronation, due to his being Pensioner in early January of 1911 ? I hope I haven't make an mistake on this one ? Again, I can't THANK YOU enough for you information, I truly appreciate it. Best, Dom P. click for more images METROPOLITAN POLICE 1887 JUBILEE MEDAL WITH 1897 CLASP-AND CORONATION 1902 AND 1911 MEDALS TO P.C. WATERS Y DIVISION Metrolpolitan Police 1887 Jubilee Medal, with 1897 clasp,named to PC H WATERS Y DIV: 1902 Coronation AND 1911 Coronation Medal (Silver) These named to: P.C. H. WATERS. Medals very fine/good very fine, first two on original ribbons,last on replcement ribbon. For relative's medals see item no: 52239 Code: 52240 Good Morning All, Danny980 was so very kind as to provide me with the above information regarding a recent purchase. As I looked further into it, wouldn't concerned that it doesn't match up 100%. My example is named to a PC, not PS, & the respective Division is also different, being 'C IV'. Can anyone please shed some light on these most troubling facts ? THANK YOU Best, Dom P.

THANK YOU Danny, So very much, I really appreciate it !! ( I do hope you weren't one of the people I was bidding against ? ) I, as well as yourself, absolutely HATE greedy sellers who knowingly break up groups just to squeeze an extra few dollars / pounds out of them !!! Speaking of 3 pc Groups, I just purchased the following Group. I found one potential match via Ancestry UK, but he doesn't appear to have been entitled to the 1911 Coronation, due to his being Pensioner in early January of 1911 ? I hope I haven't make an mistake on this one ? Again, I can't THANK YOU enough for you information, I truly appreciate it. Best, Dom P. click for more images METROPOLITAN POLICE 1887 JUBILEE MEDAL WITH 1897 CLASP-AND CORONATION 1902 AND 1911 MEDALS TO P.C. WATERS Y DIVISION Metrolpolitan Police 1887 Jubilee Medal, with 1897 clasp,named to PC H WATERS Y DIV: 1902 Coronation AND 1911 Coronation Medal (Silver) These named to: P.C. H. WATERS. Medals very fine/good very fine, first two on original ribbons,last on replcement ribbon. For relative's medals see item no: 52239 Code: 52240