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Hi Guys, I'm doing my best to acquaint myself with UK Metropolitan Police Medals, & although I'm moving along, albeit somewhat slowly, I still have a few questions that unless I learn the answers, I remain uncertain as to move forward with some of my potential purchases ? A case in point is; Some medals when researched via the PRO, or Ancestry UK will indicate an middle name in addition to of course the first name. However, the medal is named to just the first initial, with no mention of the middle ? Was this a common, accepted practice, or did it depend upon how the recipient wished his medal named or ? One of my recent acquisitions exhibits this very same issue. Upon checking his Pension File, I noted an middle name, although no middle initial was indicated on his medal ? PLEASE, any comments or input regarding this particular issue will be deeply appreciated. THANKS Best, Dom P. / dpast32
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THANK YOU so very much Danny980, I feel appreciate not very kind assistance !!! I had initially been hesitant to purchase this Group, due primarily to a combination of an incorrect reference to his 1902 issue, along with my not be able to locate information about his being reinstated for the 1911 Coronation event. THANKS to your assistance, I was also to dispel my final issue, & went ahead to purchase the Group. Now, all I need is a copy of Kemp's book, which I do foolishly neglected to purchase when I had the chance !! Sooner or later I'll hopefully. find a copy for sale at a 'fair' price, but until I'll just continue to cover !! THANKS AGAIN Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com
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THANK YOU Danny, So very much, I really appreciate it !! ( I do hope you weren't one of the people I was bidding against ? ) I, as well as yourself, absolutely HATE greedy sellers who knowingly break up groups just to squeeze an extra few dollars / pounds out of them !!! Speaking of 3 pc Groups, I just purchased the following Group. I found one potential match via Ancestry UK, but he doesn't appear to have been entitled to the 1911 Coronation, due to his being Pensioner in early January of 1911 ? I hope I haven't make an mistake on this one ? Again, I can't THANK YOU enough for you information, I truly appreciate it. Best, Dom P. click for more images METROPOLITAN POLICE 1887 JUBILEE MEDAL WITH 1897 CLASP-AND CORONATION 1902 AND 1911 MEDALS TO P.C. WATERS Y DIVISION Metrolpolitan Police 1887 Jubilee Medal, with 1897 clasp,named to PC H WATERS Y DIV: 1902 Coronation AND 1911 Coronation Medal (Silver) These named to: P.C. H. WATERS. Medals very fine/good very fine, first two on original ribbons,last on replcement ribbon. For relative's medals see item no: 52239 Code: 52240 Good Morning All, Danny980 was so very kind as to provide me with the above information regarding a recent purchase. As I looked further into it, wouldn't concerned that it doesn't match up 100%. My example is named to a PC, not PS, & the respective Division is also different, being 'C IV'. Can anyone please shed some light on these most troubling facts ? THANK YOU Best, Dom P.
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THANK YOU Danny, So very much, I really appreciate it !! ( I do hope you weren't one of the people I was bidding against ? ) I, as well as yourself, absolutely HATE greedy sellers who knowingly break up groups just to squeeze an extra few dollars / pounds out of them !!! Speaking of 3 pc Groups, I just purchased the following Group. I found one potential match via Ancestry UK, but he doesn't appear to have been entitled to the 1911 Coronation, due to his being Pensioner in early January of 1911 ? I hope I haven't make an mistake on this one ? Again, I can't THANK YOU enough for you information, I truly appreciate it. Best, Dom P. click for more images METROPOLITAN POLICE 1887 JUBILEE MEDAL WITH 1897 CLASP-AND CORONATION 1902 AND 1911 MEDALS TO P.C. WATERS Y DIVISION Metrolpolitan Police 1887 Jubilee Medal, with 1897 clasp,named to PC H WATERS Y DIV: 1902 Coronation AND 1911 Coronation Medal (Silver) These named to: P.C. H. WATERS. Medals very fine/good very fine, first two on original ribbons,last on replcement ribbon. For relative's medals see item no: 52239 Code: 52240
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Hello Gents, I just won the bid on another addition to my Met. Police collection. I 'think' I've narrowed it down to 3 candidates, although it's still speculative at this point. ( I just got it this morning. ) The relevant data is as follows; 'METROPOLITAN POLICE MEDAL COMMEMORATING THE JUBILEE OF QUEEN VICTORIA IN 1887, w/ 1897 BAR. PRESENTED TO: PC. W. WILSON of C. DIVISION IV If anyone would be so kind as to assist me in confirming it's recipient, I will be very much appreciative. This particular example is missing its ribbon drape, but I can't imagine obtaining a replacement will be all that difficult ? THANK YOU, Best, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com
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Hello Again Folks, This is basically an addendum to my previous Post just above. I forgot to include the fact that the recipient had Pensioner off in early January 1911, with his final document being signed by some Superior on 03 February 1911. Please tell me how he would have qualified for the 1911 Coronation Medal, since he was no longer on duty on that date ? ANY assistance here will be very much appreciated. THANKS Dom P. / dpast32
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Hello Gents, I'm currently looking at a very nice 3 pc Metropolitan Police Coronation Group, & wish to confirm 2 things. 1st, the seller lists the 1902 example as being named with Rank & Name, which we all know is incorrect. As far as I'm aware, it should be, Rank, Name, Division ? I E-Mailed the owner to ask if this was possibly a simple oversight, & to please check the medal to confirm ? 2nd, the seller is asking around 150 GBP, & as I haven't been keeping track of the market values lately, if that's a fair price for such a Group ? ( All Met. Police Coronation, 1887, w/ 1897 Clasp, 1902, & 1911 Coronation Medals. I am hoping the description is in error, & the 1902 is properly named, but you never know ? I have always loved U.K. medals & awards, especially Police related, but haven't actively collected them in years. If anyone has any comments either regarding the naming, & the selling price, I would really appreciate hearing from them. THANK YOU Best, Dom P. / dpast32
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THANK YOU Graham & Dave W., as always, I really do appreciate the kind replies. I have observed a few various examples over the years, but unless they were related to a particular group, I wasn't interested in the least. On this one however, I felt that for $12.50 U.S., I shouldn't pass it up. I'll put it away in my junk drawer, just in case I ever do have a need for it ? Not to change the subject too much, but I also noted a nice, 1903 'Visit To Scotland' U.K. Police Medal, at IIRC $90.00 U.S.D.. Now that's much more in my line, but I did vow NOT to buy anything else unless it was an absolute 'steal', so to speak. Personally, I just love the U.K. Police / Law Enforcement awards, but to delve into another collecting realm at this point isn't financially feasible right now. So, I simply have to stick with dreaming about them !! THANKS, Best, Dom P. / dpast32
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Hello Gents, I thought I might inquire about this particular Medal, as I really don't know very much about it, other than the obvious intention of the award, as indicated on it ? The only reason I purchased it to begin with was the price. I'm into it for the whopping sum of $12.50 USD. ( RE: $5.00 Medal + $7.50 Shipping ) I believe it's from the WW1 era, although I'm not certain. Could anyone please give me an idea as to if it was worth my 'investment', and or anything else about it ? It appears to be officially engraved to someone named: F. Barry. THANK YOU Guys, Best, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com
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THANK YOU Peter, I really appreciate your reply ! In interim since Posting this Query, I've learned a bit more regarding their recipient. He was Acting Sjt. Benjamin Vincent GLAISTER, who [ if it is indeed 'my' guy ] appears to have served quite a while in H.M.'s Army. His primary assigned unit[s] was in assorted Battalions of the Manchester Regiment, starting from 1914 / WW1 onwards through to service all over the globe. [ WW1 Service w/ 2nd Battalion, while later duty appears to have been in the 7th Battalion. ] I noted him being in France, India NW Frontier, Iraq, & Burma, possibly along with some other locales. The final Rank I observed for him was Acting Sjt., but that's in no way confirmed as his actual final Rank. I did find him listed as being awarded the G.S.M., with the Bar / Clasp 'Burma, 1931 - 1932'. One observation I've made so far is his somewhat 'unusual' [ if it is unusual ? ] was his remaining assigned to the Manchester Regiment for so long ? I'm also curious as to the 'Capt.' reference on his 'Marksmanship' Medal, as do far, I haven't noted anything listing him as being an Commissioned Officer ? Right now, my primary interest is in identifying the 'crossed rifles' Medal which in my experience almost always indicates some form of Marksmanship award ?Hopefully, someone here has come across this particular award, & can at least point me in the right direction. I'm certain that as I delve deeper into this, I'll hopefully make more progress. As we all know, these things can take a little time to unravel everything, & seeing that I just obtained them yesterday afternoon, at least I'm starting to make some initial progress. THANKS Gents & PLEASE do let me know if you happen to have any ideas on this somewhat unusual 'Pair' ? Best, dpast32
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Hello Gentleman, I recently picked up the following 2 awards, which I believe to be either British or Commonwealth Marksmanship Medals, based upon my very cursory examination. If anyone has ever encountered either of these examples, I would deeply appreciate their input. THANK YOU, Best regards, dpast32
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Utt Ohhh, I APOLOGIZE, I guess I should have closely read the 1st reply prior to responding. Yes, that was the 'term' I got as I initiated a search on the aforementioned U.K. WW1 National Roll for the person in question. I thought that perhaps it was an assignment nomenclature for some obscure RN unit or something similar ? Lately, I've been stumbling across numerous WW1 British & Commonwealth Trio's for sale, & if the price is really reasonable, I'll grab them. This group is nothing spectacular, just a WW1 1914-15 Trio, accompanied by the recipients Geo. V LSGC. I can have it for $190.00 USD / 152 GBP [ Shipped ] which after thinking about it, I guess isn't really a super bargain, but no too bad, right ? I keep telling myself I must cease buying medal groups 'just because', as I have truly run out of room !! But, we all know the intense thrill of those inital searches when looking up a new purchase. THANK YOU Gents, I really do appreciate any & all replies !! Best regards, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com
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THANK YOU Gents for the replies, but I'm somewhat at a loss to understand them in relation to my original Post ? We're these specific terms used only in these volumes, or ? I simply wished to know if that term was related to a specific Royal Navy duty assignment or posting ? It's in relation to an WW1 R.N. Able Seaman's Geo. V LSGC. Noted ship on the rim was HMS Pembroke, which IIRC, was a sort of Depot Ship. Any other hints will be much appreciated. Best, dpast32
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THANK YOU Paul, I appreciate your input. Yes, it was for France, & his WW1 M.I.C. is stamped 'Devotion' right on the front of it. Also, if I recall correctly, he was authorized an annuity for it. I promised myself to not do anymore 'impulse purchases', by it's just so darn hard as I truly love to collect British & Commonwealth medals ! The owner initially wanted more, but just offered it up for the price I just quoted. Dom Pastore Jr.
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Good Morning Gentleman, I sincerely hope everyone here is feeling well, & more importantly, remains that way. I have a quick question regarding a potential purchase I'm considering, & I want to get an idea as their current market value, & or desirability. It's an British WW1 era Army, 'Meritorious Service Medal', [ G.V., basic style obverse, with F. M.'s uniform. ] Properly named to a Cpl., or Acting Sgt., R.F.A.. [ Can't recall which Rank at the moment. ] It also notes his particular sub unit, Battery & Brigade. From what basic research I've done, it does appear to have been awarded for 'Devotion', not an 'immediate gallantry' award. All in all, just your basic, excellent condition WW1 Geo. V M.S.M.. Now, I can purchase it for 166.305 U.K. Pounds, [ with Postage Paid ] which equates to $208 U.S.D., based upon today's currency rates. So, my question is; Should I grab this M.S.M. for that price, or is it not that great of an value ? I've always noted the the M.S.M.'s tended to sell for somewhat more than say an M.M., but is that fact still true in today's market ? If anyone here would be so kind as to point me in the right direction on this, I'll be very much appreciative. THANK YOU Best, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com SORRY Guys, I have no idea why my above query appeared as it did, not do I know how to correct it ? ( I have tried ! ) At least my actual question is legible, so I guess I'll just leave as is. Again, I do apologize !! Dom Pastore Jr.
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Hello Gents, Today's query concerns a beautiful little 6x30 [ or possibly 8x30 ] set of Binoculars that I picked up about 20 years ago. I knew the nomenclature markings were some variant of East European, & that they appeared to be of superior quality. They're definitely either Military or Para Military issue, as they possess an integral 'Range Finder' Reticle on one of their lens. ( Perfect if I ever need to call in Artillery fire on the neighbors. ) As far as I've been able to determine, the logo indicates issue to, or property of, 'People's Militia' Force, or some similar organization. They came in an excellent quality leather case, & I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were of Carl Zeiss manufacture. I'd love to know their relative date of manufacture, who made them, & if possible, to whom they were issued, or used by ? AS ALWAYS, any & all replies will be deeply appreciated !! THANK YOU Gents, Best, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com P.S.: I apologize for the scans being somewhat askew, as I'm finally managing to at least get them posted !
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Hello Gents, I'm seeking to determine the approximate manufacture date of what I believe to be a true, WW1 era Suffolk Regiment Other Ranks [ Enlisted Man ] Cap Badge ? From what little I've learned from a few U.K. based Dealers is that 'most' true, early WW1 production pieces were of Bi Metal construction, with 'blow holes' on their reverse ? If this is correct, my current example does appear to possess all those features. Apparently, circa mid - late 1916, the manufacturer's began running low on the Bi Metal material, & resorted to all brass construction, commonly referred to as 'War Emergency Type'. I'm hoping my example is a genuine early War piece, but would really like to either confirm or discount that fact. Enclosed are the front & back of my example, not anyone would please be so kind as to advise me on its relative period of manufacture, & if possible, it's originality, if at all relevant. Also, I had trouble including the 2 Scans of my Suffolk's Badge, so I figured that hopefully I could add them via a Link, as included below. THANK YOU Best regards, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com s-l1600 - 2020-03-25T091240.374.jpg s-l1600 - 2020-03-25T091226.245.jpg
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Hello Gents, I'm seeking to determine the approximate manufacture date of what I believe to be a true, WW1 era Suffolk Regiment Other Ranks [ Enlisted Man ] Cap Badge ? From what little I've learned from a few U.K. based Dealers is that 'most' true, early WW1 production pieces were of Bi Metal construction, with 'blow holes' on their reverse ? If this is correct, my current example does appear to possess all those features. Apparently, circa mid - late 1916, the manufacturer's began running low on the Bi Metal material, & resorted to all brass construction, commonly referred to as 'War Emergency Type'. I'm hoping my example is a genuine early War piece, but would really like to either confirm or discount that fact. Enclosed are the front & back of my example, not anyone would please be so kind as to advise me on its relative period of manufacture, & if possible, it's originality, if at all relevant. THANK YOU Best regards, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com Best regards, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com
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Hello Gents, I sincerely hope everyone here is well & safe, & hopefully remain that way ! I'm not sure if this is the designated Forum for my query, but if not, I apologize. I've recently obtained a very nice, well filled out Imperial German Militarpass, to what I initially thought belonged to a Saxon Jager Soldat, & later Gefreiter. Someone I know was kind enough to translate some of its entries, & although the book's cover is ink stamped to the Saxon Jager Battalion, he feels that the guy more likely served primarily with the 133d & 134th Infantry Regiments, & later with 133d Infantry's 1st M.G. Company. He was twice WIA, & had subsequent hospitalizations after each. From what's recorded in the book, this young Soldier apparently saw quite a bit of combat !! What I'm really trying to discern is which Division was each of his Infantry Regiment's assigned to ? I'm also enclosing the 6 scans I have, in the event that someone may be able to decipher any of them. I would just love to create a overview & memorial of this Soldier's 'Great War' Service, but won't be able to until I can translate more of the dates & event contained within. I'd be most appreciative for any information I may receive regarding this interesting Militarpass. . Mm..THANK YOU Folks, Best, Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com
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THANK YOU Gents for the kind replies ! By now, I've read through most of his 2 Files. It appears as if there's 2 related to him, 1st is the standard Attestation, & the 2nd is his Pension File. He definitely received an GSW to his head, as it's referred to on numerous occasions throughout his records. It states that this right eye required removal, & although I'm not certain as of yet, he may also have become totally blind due to his injury ? The problem is that the text ( writing ) within the records is very small, & most appears to be in cursive, which is extremely difficult to decipher !! He must have been pretty well injured, as he was listed as 'totally disabled' on 13 June 1916. However, he get married a year or so after being discharged, & apparently live quite a while, not passing away until 1974. I'd love to know where he was buried so that I might create some form of memorial for him, but haven't been able to determine that fact yet. I'm also now on the hunt for his SWB # 159681, but where the check that may be is anyone's guess ? It's funny that his Trio was intact, but his SWB was missing ? Oh well, as always, the search goes on !! THANKS again, & Please everyone, stay safe out there !! Dom P. / dpast32@aol.com