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Hello Skip , 

The one you asked for is an Original Osmanie order , 4th class . 

As you mentioned the condition is average ...

Best Wishes , 

Avsar Ibar

Yes , exactly ... perfect !!!

Hello !

Many of them made by Ottoman Mint and some rare ones made by famous foreign ( Mostly French ) order makers such as Kretly ... Halley .. Boullanger ... 

Avsar

That is above is a nice German Made "Liyakat Medal " , not an official Ottoman Mint made one ...

Hello , 

Dont worry ... 

It is a very nice Ottoman Made Breast Star of Medjidie . 

Avsar IBAR

Hello , 

Crimean War Period Made ... 1850ss - 1860ss ... 

This one made just after the British Made ones (The flat ones without any maker's mark or other marks ... )

Best Wishes , 

Avsar Ibar 

Hello , 

This item ( I can NOT say it an "order" ! , it will be shame if i will ...) is ALL TOTAL FAKE . 

Best wishes , 

Avsar Ibar

Below a first class star ...

and another 1st Class Set ... This time the 1st Class Breast Star is with Paste Stones .... 

Below , probably a European Made 2nd Class order ... Original Ribbon but in a later - Not Original Case/box. 

Please be note that there is NO "Wreath and Star" or "only wreath" on the reverse of the order... Also you can see that the gold center ( where the Toughra Located ) is cambered ... Not flat as in the Ottoman made ones .... 

Below another 2nd Class ...

Another 2nd class with Original Box and Ribbon  ...

And below a 3rd Class ...

To COMPARE the size of 2nd Class Order (on the left) and a 1st Class Breast Star ( on the right ) , please check the below picture ...

Below is a 1st Class Special Type Breast Star . ( Only diamonds ... )

Below is a Classic 1st Class Breast Star .

Below , another 2nd Class ..

And a 1st Class Set ...

A close up picture of 2nd class --- Diamonds and Rubies

You are welcome Gordon !

Here is the picture of a 3rd class one ...

( No stones .. No diamonds ... No rubies ... Just green and red enamels ... )

Below is a 2nd Class Order ...

Below a first class Star .

Hello Gordon , 

It is a second class Sevkat order . 3rd class ones do not have any stones on them , you can see the Original box on the pictures but NOT correct ribbon . That incorrect ribbon is coming from a Big Imtiyaz Medal , nothing related with a Sevkat ...

Best wishes , 

Avsar Ibar

Chris , you mean the miniatures with swords on chain ? I never see ... ( on a chain ) 

but , in past i saw few miniature medjidies with swords , not on a chain , single ones ...

Hello Chris , 

No exact info regarding the quantity .

But over all they are quite rare . ( even to Turkish receipents and also to German Officers , if you compare with the other foreigners and Germans , you can find the posibility to find them to the Germans then others  ... )

Thanks , 

Avsar

Also , you can see the St.Anna in this picture , what i bealive , another example of the black St.Anna but NOT "absolutely flat" enamels ... Same as the Marazov made Black St.Anna in the medalirus page ....

I submit a reply to your  St.Stanislaus topic .

best wishes , 

Avs

Hello karakas , 

There are better knowledge guys then me about Russian orders here arround but in my opinion , the order , Luxory Type of St.Stan you pictured is original , i am not sure about the sabers ... Can you post a picture of the stamp on the loop , from the last picture seems to be something on the reverse loop ... 

D.O. even Carl Faberge made such kind of private made St.Stans ...

Avs

You have a very nice piece too .

I will send you the pictures of my St. Anna tomorrow , it is in my office .

The reason that i asked the question is , i also have the same style black enameled St.Anna in very , very good condition with original old - period hot black enamels ... 

Anyway , thanks ...

Hello Gordon , 

That piece which you pictured is once up on a time ( better to say "was" ) a 5 th class original Ottoman Mint made Medjidie .

but one of the most tired example i saw in my life ... Many things happened to it , it is nothing related with coro ... It is not German later made , it is Ottoman made one .... Then first it lost his crescent and star , his enamels are nearly all broken and then re-painted again ( not re-enamelled ) ... Meanwhile some body or the owner decide to add a pin to the back to hang it or use it as a brooch maybe ... They also cut the loop where the crescent and star connecting from it's silver body ...

and so on ...

best Wishes , 

Avsar Ibar

Dear Friends , 

May i kindly ask you to examine the below St.Anna 2nd Class Made by " Morazov - IM " , i took the pictures from the wellknown beautiful website ..

My question is , musnt be this order's arms " FLAT " as the classic black enamelled private made St. Annas ? But you can easily understand from the pictures here , they are not flat ...

Thanks in advance for the opinions , 

Avsar

Dear Sirs ,  

Those 2 orders Mr.Utopis posted , i do not know if they are from his collection or he wanted to buy them that is why he asked our opinions but what i have to say is ; 

It is NOT good for collectors and never gives a positive wish to collect ,  if we blame on all items ! UNLESS IT IS GUARANTEED FAKE !

As i mentioned the one with diamonds , it must be investigate better ... But all the Osmanie or Medjidie orders are NOT same , all the Makers ; Ottoman / French / British even Italians ( Italians Also made Medjidie Orders ... ) had different styles ...

But i also still insist that the Osmanie Order with Sabers is an Original Sabered piece , btw , all the Swords added later , the matter is if they added in the period or today ...

In that example which Utopis posted , The holes are NOT very big as the fake ones , swords looks OK , patina is Ok , dimensions are Ok and proportions of the swords are Ok  !!!  This is a GOOD PIECE . The holes maybe just a little big , but it is NOT a problem , we have to examine everything and make a complete calculation to decide the authenticity ... 

Regards , 

Avsar 

Hello Artan , I do NOT think that they are related with Turkish Orders and Medals ...

Hello , 

1 - The one with the diamonds can be a foreign made piece , but I also DO NOT like the gold ( or golden ) border .. The front Center and the back looks good .

Very hard to say without taking and examine it in hands ..

Diamond Osmanie Orders are NOT related with Mr.Demir 's above pictures ...  Diamond Osmanie's enamels , crescent , back and front MUST BE different from the regular Osmanie Orders ... You can NOT compare a Diamond Osmanie with a Regular Osmanie Order , in brief , diamond Osmanie's are not just the versions of a normal Osmanie Order with diamonds between the arms ... 

Below i am attaching a PERFECT ( Probably French Made ) ORIGINAL Example of a Diamond Grand Cross Osmanie Order .

2 - The Osmanie Breast Star Utopis posted , with the SABERS / SWORDS , is an ORIGINAL Piece .

Regards , 

Avsar IBAR

Hello , 

This order in the first pictures , i mean the one which was mentioned as " FIRST CLASS " is NOT a first class Sevkat Order's Breast Star , it is a 2nd Class Shevkat Order , for some reason , converted to seem like a Grand Cross Shevkat Breast Star . 

1 - 1st Class ( Grand Cross ) Shevkat's Breast Star NEVER CAN BE in the size of 57 mm .

2 - In the Grand Cross Breast Star of Shevkat , The diamond inlaid rays between the star is made of SILVER . ( Except of the Special Type which is made only with Gold and diamonds , without the leaf and rubies ...) 

3 - If you look carefully , you can see that the pin and it's holder on the back soldered latterly ..

4 - On this order , The pin's holder on the left back , i mean where the pin closing is a FICTION , it is something you can see in the new made brooches ... Ottoman Empire NEVER used such a kind of closing system on it's orders ...

Best Wishes , 

Avsar IBAR