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I did not check the link , but this one , which you pasted it's picture here is Not an official medal , It is an Un-Official Ottoman Medal ( Other Name Jewish Medal) period II.Abdulhamid made after the 2nd. Constitutional Monarchy (Mesrutiyet) ...

More then this info , i believe you interest with their value , and they do NOT make high value...

All the best ,

Avsar IBAR

And a detailed picture of the Parliamentary Order with it's original Box .

As can be seen on the right side , Order Of Medjidie 2nd Class Set in Original Box.

All the Best ,

Avsar IBAR

A few more pictures for your enjoy ...

Left to right ...

1 - Order Of the Chamber of the Deputies Set with Sash Badge in Orj.Box . (With Wrong Sash)

2 - Order of The Medjidie 2nd Class Set in Orj. Box.

3 - Order Of the Shevkat Grand Cross Badge in Orj.Box.

4 - Order Of the Osmanie Grand Cross Breast Star with Swords.

5 - Order Of the Osmanie 2 Different , 1 Ottoman and One British Made Breast Stars.

6 - Order Of the Medjidie Crimean Period Grand Cross Breast Star with Orj.Sash

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I want to add another picture of the "Parliamentary Order " - " Order Of the Chamber of the Deputies " from my collection with it's Sash Badge.

Dear Mr. Windu ,

We already explained the characteristics in the above posts , it is very clear . My friend Mr. Joseph , attached very good pictures , an original and a fake together in the same photo which makes the subject to compare more easy and clear...

By the way Mr. Linas already sold his fake order on ebay. ..

Nearly i became guilty by starting this post...

Avsar Ibar

It looks like our friend still did Not accept that it is fake...

His Auction still goes on...

I believe we did what we can do...

Avsar IBAR

Dear Murat ,

Your Breast Star is OK !

Best wishes ,

Avsar Ibar

Hi Again ,

It is ok for today but maybe not for tomorrow. I saw originals like " The Star on the longest ray ones.. "

It is just about to align the upper level. Tomorrow they can move it ( turn it )a little and...

All the best ,

Avsar Ibar

Dear Linas ,

Thank you very much for your posts , but i do not care who bid to your "Breast Star , which kind of collector or expert they are ,

I respect to everyones knowledge and choice but your Medjidie Breast Star is GUARANTEE FAKE !!

1 - If you want to give right to me , please go to some Metal Casting workshop , they are going to confirm that all the body is made by casting method.

2 - Please look at the Brilliant cuts on the silver , they have to be sharp , but yours are extremely smooth..

3 - I am saying again that your enamel is PINKISH !! NOT RED AS IT MUST BE.

4 - The weldings to the needles are made very amateur way , which it musnt be...

5 - You can not see that kind of Long Needles on an Original Medjidie Breast Star.

6 - Your stars patina can be easily understood with proffesional eyes that it is later made with chemicals.

7 - On the center , you can see 4 sheets , attached on the red enamel , (they are also enameled , written on them "Year 1268" ,"Enthusiasm" , "Patriotism" and "Loyalty" ) , the distance between them are not proper , usually you can see this mistake on the fake ones , end of the ones on the right side nearly touching each other , but the right to is seperate..

My family and me , we are collecting Ottoman orders till 25 Years and we have a Antique & Jewellery shop in Istanbul - Turkey since 1983 .

I am a member of Turkish Numismatique Associaiton , and i wrote many articles about the Ottoman orders in Turkish Local Numismatique magazines..

And also you mentioned that "Composition : Gold - Silver and enamel" please check it in a gold smith , if you will any miligram of "Solid Gold" in that order , i promise to you here , i will send you an original one like present , all the yellow parts of your order are silver.

Please do not understand my opinions to your personality , i am sorry if i wrote something wrong.

Kind Regards,

Avsar Ibar

Ibar Jewellery & Antiques

PS: You can compare your 2nd Class Breast Star with the below 2nd Class Breast Star.

Mr.Demir ,

Thanks for the " LIST "

Avsar Ibar

Item number 200487736631 , Osmanie Set OK !! Original , but it is not GRAND cross as mentioned , it is 2nd Class Order Of Osmanie Set.

By the way , item number : 280574223940 this one looks OK !

Hello Joseph ,

Yeah , maybe you are right we have to ask him , maybe he also doesnt know what he is selling...

All the best ,

Avsar IBAR

Hello Dear Mike ,

You are welcome , i just check the picture you posted , sorry but the resolution of the picture is not very high ,

but i can see an Original 4th Class Medjidie Order on the right side.

Cheers ,

Avsar IBAR

Dear Collectors ,

Right now , this time there are 2 fake Medjidie Breast Stars are for sale on the well known page .

Item numbers ; 190453751343 from France and 280571884789 from Turkey.

Both of them are fake and so interesting the seller from France mentioned that "GUARANTEED ORIGINAL" ... shame on him , and this kind of people...

For the new collectors , i kindly ask you , please be careful...

All the best ,

Avsar IBAR

PS: Just a very small and easy tip , If you are new , and do not know deep , please be far , if you see "PINK" color enamel on the Medjidie orders.. It must be Red , maybe different levels of red , but it must be red , NOT pink.

Dear Mr.Demir ,

Thank you very much for expanding the list of this deficient sellers new items.

For our new collector friends , i just wish to mention here again that ;

1 - For both of them , the TWM and The Atik Crete Medal , please observe the blisters which caused by the cast technique , but an original medal was made with a press technique without that kind of bubles and blisters. Mostly they occured because of the gases , air and clash of the mine / metal when it saw the heat to melt.

*** But please try not to mix this cast problems, with the natural traces , scratches and gutters which may accure on an original one due to the time wear.

2 - Please observe for both of them , the brownish patina which is caused when trying to gave the fake old looking patina with some chemicals.

All the Best ,

Avsar IBAR

Hello ,

Of course , many of us can understand the difference about the fake and original ones , but for the new collectors ,

another fake Medjidie Order on the well known e*** website with Item no: 280542843189 .

All the best ,

Avsar IBAR

Dear Sergio ,

That Medal which was called Sanayi (Industry) Medal and also Iftihar Medal ( PRIDE Medal) because of in 1853 there was the first Iftihar Medal made ,

not mix the one which you mentioned here , we usually call it here in Turkey as Iftihar ve Sanayi Medal. This one which we are talking about started to be awarded

from 1883 - 84 .

What i wish to explain here is , this medal one of the most popular medal in the German Bars after the Medal of Merit because it was not Only awarded for Industrial fields ,

as you can understand from the name , it was also warded for the service and help to the Ottoman Empire and also to the Sultan , Valor and heroism.

Please do not think that it is an only Industry Medal.

All the best ,

Avsar IBAR

Ps: I feel like the gold Iftihar Sanayi Medal in your second picture , in the bar is a later Gold Plated Silver one.

Hello ,

One of my pinback weights 58.08 grams ...

All the Best ,

Avsar Ibar

Dear Mr.Murat ,

To tell the exact decision , it is need to examine them in hands .

But in my opinion , i mean how i feel and they look , they are original. ( A French Made ( Cannot read from the picture , whom made it..) Osmanie Breast Star , and a Grand cross set in Box )

Regards,

Avsar IBAR

Dear Demir Abi ,

Again a perfect info / up-date from you ,

Thanks ,

Avsar IBAR

Dear Jonathan ,

You are welcome , What you mentioned is exactly correct , it is definitely NOT a 3rd Class , also it is NOT a foreign made Medjidie Order , from the shape/style of the order , I can say that it is an Ottoman Made Medjidie order.

Of course , the picture is Black/White (We can not understand the Center is gold or Silver) and not targeted/detailed on the Medjidie Order , but i feel from the size like it is a 4th class with Rosette , not a 5th class ....

It could be very easy , if we could see the center of the order to tell you exactly but .....

Hope it helps...

All the best ,

Avsar

All the Best ,

Avsar IBAR

And a few pictures which I wrote this year for a Numismatic Journal 2010 about Turkish Orders ...

A Turkish Made 5th Class