avsaribar

Hello ,

I would like to add few points ...

That Medjidie Order is NOT an Ottoman Made one , it is a foreign made Medjidie .

That Osmanie Order is NOT 5th class , it is a 4th class Osmanie Order ... 5th Class Osmanie do not exist ...

All the best ,

Avsar Ibar

Dear Bob ,

Thank you very much for sharing them with us. Perfect pictures , very nice and rare documents.

We are very lucky that we have a member like you in GMIC.

Best Wishes from Istanbul ,

Avsar

Dear Brother Demir ,

Thank you very much for sending me your book. I just wish to congratulate you from my heart regarding this successful project.

Honestly it is a very nice work.

I strongly recommend it to anyone whom interest with Turkish Orders & Medals !

Best Regards ,

Avsar IBAR

You are welcome Gentleman !

Dear David ,

You are welcome .

Yes, as you mentioned , that mark on the reverse is Turkish Mint Mark , and it means that this is a Turkish made one .

After 1900s the mint mark still exists but it changed the size and became more smaller in diameter .

Best Wishes ,

Avsar Ibar

For information to whom it may interest ;

for the later minted medals such as Big Imtiyaz , Liyakat , Donanma-İ iane , Greek War and etc.. The weight examination is OK but for the older minted Ottoman medals , it is not a way to check originality as many of the originals ( even same medal ) has different measurements .

Best Wishes ,

Avsar

Hello ,

It is an ORIGINAL BB.CO .

I am sure it will be a nice piece in your collection.

Best Wishes ,

Avsar

Hello ,

To determine the exact date is impossible.

But What I can say is this one which you attached the images is the one which was made after the Crimean war period. ( WHAT I MEAN IS , IN CHRONICLE ORDER , THIS ONE IS MADE AFTER THE CRIMEAN TYPE MEDJIDIES ! )

It is earlier then 1900 , later then 1860 .

It is NOT the ones in and after 1900s .

Hope it helps ,

AVSAR IBAR

Hello ,

Medal is original and in good condition. But the Silver suspension and the ribbon is new and later attachment.

Best Wishes ,

Avsar

Dear S ,

In the period made original ones , scimitars did NOT connected in any kind of ring . They are becoming thinner in inside but passing like " X " from inside . It is not very very hard to understand if they are connected to a ring , You can see / feel it by looking to the scimitar holes which were opened by a jeweller saw .

They never connected to a ring , they are crosswise passing thorough inside .

Best Wishes ,

Avsar Ibar

And below is the picture of the one which we compare with the above 2 examples ... Please check the left saber grip , the weirdness is more visible in that one...

There are a few kind of Original period Sword types ,

Below you can see 2 GOOD Examples ;

1 - From former ANS Collection . ( Thanks to My dear friend Mr.Paul Wood for this picture )

2 - From My own collection .

Hope those 2 pictures will give you an idea how it must be ...

Best wishes to all ,

I know the Gentleman whom sold it on ebay. He has a very good , beautiful and big Ottoman Empire collection. He is a valuable collectioner.

On the other hand for that order ;

Very hard to say before examine it in hands but i am not too far from your opinion ... ( It mustn't be that much cast feeling on the swords , also a little strange form of sabers ... )

Box of the order is not original as he mentioned on his auction page ...

Happy New Year to everyone ...

Dear Jens ,

There is no combination " As you call AMALGAM " of Medjidie orders with Osmanie orders . All of those examples exist the reason is during the years , their own cresent & star lost because of an external factor or whatever ... And recipient or the owner during the mentioned time changed it's up with a similar one as he found an Osmanie Order's one...

This order can not be awarded in this position . There is no such example in literature exist in this condition . The one in Liverpool medals is also a later intervation to compensate the lost , even i can see that it's neck ribbon is new ...

Best ,

Avsar IBAR

Dear Jens ,

Yes , i checked them , it looks like a 4th Class Medjidie . The cresent and the star did not belong to him , they are from a 4th Class Order of Osmanie . ( Not Medjidie ) .

Small Tip : On the Osmanie Orders , Cresent and The Star faces - looks to the up without enamel . On the Medjidie Orders they look to the right with red enamel on them ...

Best wishes for the New Year ,

Avsar Ibar

Dear Westdiep ,

Unfortunately i can nit see the pictures.

Can you post them here again ?

Best ,

Avsar

Hello Jim ,

The order is not mine and unfortunately i do not have it's pictures. If i could have the pictures , it will be my pleasure to share them with my friends here...

You can check Turkish - Ottoman Empire Orders and Medals section to see how bountiful i am regarding the pictures ...

Kind Regards ,

Avsar

Dear Friends ,

Thank you very much to all , for all of your kind information.

Kindest Regards ,

Avs

Inside Picture

Dear Friends ,

If someone can can identify this SWEDISH Box , i will be very happy.

Thanks In Advance .

Avs

Hello ,

If one of our friends will inform me the recipient's name of the HSU No: 1447 .

I will be appreciate .

Kind Regards ,

Avsar

Hello ,

1 - I can not see a Grand Cross Order of Osmanie there.

2 - Looks like you have A second Class Set with Breast Star , a Single 2nd Class Cross , and a 3rd Class Cross.

3 - The Osmanie order which you called "Gold Osmanie" is a Luxury type 2nd Class Foreign made.

4 - Probably you have inside that envelopes , the "Berats" ( Award Certificates ) , but what you showed are the envelopes of the "Berats" only ...

5 - Also i can not see clearly but looks like you have there 2 Medjidie and 2 Osmanie Certificate Envelopes .

Best Wishes ,

Avsar IBAR

Hello Dean ,

I will do my best to help you regarding the Ottoman Orders .

Best Wishes ,

Avsar

Dear Dean ,

Sorry for my late reply , i was in London , just turned back to Istanbul .

About your bar ;

Honestly, first i was thinking that you need a Jubilee Medal (1905) or a Prince R. Luitpold medal there but , ! ! ! !!!!

after i concentrate to your cute bar a little more , i think you need a later period Medjidie Order there.

Hope it helps ,

Avsar IBAR

Dear Dean ,

Crimean war started in October 1853 and finished in Feb 1856 . Crimean Type Medjidie orders made and awarded during Crimean era .

But your bar is from WW1 . There for it doesnt have a place in that bar . There are some examples of German Bars with Medjidie and Osmanie orders from WW1 period but thoose Medjidies are not Crimean Type .

And Dear Lambert,

Yes you are right if you compare with the Ottoman Made ones , Crimean types have bigger center . Also Ottoman Mint Made ones are Diamond Cut ( Silver Parts ) but Crimean type Medjidie's silver parts are different , how can i explain , let me say they are like herringbone style .. ( ? ) . For all Medjidie orders , only the 5th class has Silver Center Tughra .

Cheers ,

Avsar