militaria0815

I am stunned! THAT is the ultimate bar-the jewel of the collection crown . Congratulations!!!

Thxs a lot! Had a high price but I thought it is a MUST for a medal bar collector.

Gentlemen,

many many thanks to all of you, especially to Rick!!!! I am very happy that you unveiled the owner and dug out all the other information! Great!!!!

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Today i got a medal bar from a collector friend who purchased it from the family of the winner. Unfortunately no one knew who was the winner. I would appreciate any information concerning following questions:

- Is there a chance to find out the winners' name, I think, it must have been a Navy officer or NCO from one of the eight ships which have been involved in the Venezuela battle in 1902/03

- How many of the Schwarzburg-Sondershausen 3rd class crosses w swords were awarded

- What has happened in Deutsch-Neuguinea ion 1913/14 that caused to the award of this bar?

Thanks!!

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I have got this badge together w a medal bar. Has anybody an idea what it was for?

Thanks for help!

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I will hopefully get a copy of his personal file from the archive and will post it when I got it.

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I am wondering the number he would have added during the WW2 era?

Most probably not much more as there was one state only which gave awards. Maybe the German cross in silver.

Could you weigh it for us??

It weighs 500 Gramm!!!!!

fabulous medal bar,

is it yours???

Wonder how much this would weigh.

Perhaps was it his royal connection which helped him to obtain so much gongs to go with...

As he was almost always in the neighbourhood when his royals exchanged medals, he might have caught his own bit of the ODM-rain

Thank God its mine!! If I saw it an it was not I would get crazy!!!

It is so heavy that it needs 2 pins on back.

And did you notice the precedence he mounted his non-Bavarian awards? With the exception of the EK, of course, they are in ALPHABETICAL order of the states!!

The last medal is the Spanish medal for MARRUECOS with the bar MELILLA. According to my information there was only one Bavarian officer who owned this medal, it was Oberleutnant Frauenholz, who was in Marokko together with M?ller, but this was unofficial, he had asked for some weeks off, this was granted and he was permitted to wear his Bavarian uniform.

Terrific medal bar. Do you know the owner ? Did he belong to Bavarian Leib Regiment

Christophe

The owner was Rittmeister Hermann M?ller (later Major a.D. Dr. M?ller-Brand), adjutant of Bavarian Crown prince Rupprecht in the Prussian 4th Army corps.

Winner was an Army captain.

There are silver gilt BMVO3... they will also be marked for (appropriate) silver content. Also, 3. Kl. has seperately applied flames..

And they are hollow made.

Well, that's how the youth is ...

I've got numbers for all modells, but not for the last one. Volle gives as well just the "120 manufactured". I think most of them were actually awarded, let's guess about 100 ...

Following numbers out of the book of F. Beyrei?:

1st type Friedrich I. (1868 - 1881): 4 golden, 46 silver medals

2nd type 1882 - 1908: 4 golden, 128 silver medals

Friedrich 2nd 1908 - 1918: 68 silver medals.

What merited the award of the St Michael medal or order?

The lower grades of the order including the medals often were awarded shortly before the civil servant, officer, policeman or NCO retired.

And the winner.

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Winner was General Josef Macher.

While this information is correct for WW1 awards, prior to that, going back to the first awards, ca. 1800, there were several changes. For our purposes, I would only point out that the medals awarded for 1870/1, China and Southwest Africa had a smaller bust of Max Josef and no ?J. Ries?. Also, as we go back in time the style of the ?se seems to have gone through numerous legitimate changes.

I hope that this information is helpful.

Best wishes,

Wild Card

The medal type w J.RIES was first made by the end of the year 1870. In the war 1870/71 133 golden and 612 silver medals were awarded from this type, which was then also the the type which was awarded in WW1 (1198 golden and 2932 silver medals). Because ot this fact I doubt that for China and Southwest Africa the early type was awarded as I am sure that there were no more old style medals in stock.

Please excuse my ignorance, as I'm just starting to learn the Imperial medals, but What makes the Bravery Medal a fake?

Doc

Originals of this type have to have a very thick suspension ring and the name of the medal maker (artist) J.RIES on the frontside. Please see enclosed pic of an original medal.