militaria0815

Agreed. This thing seems to be spinning out of control and whether it can be recovered or not, I do not know.

I do think however that it may, and I emphasize may, point up a matter which we all have to keep in mind. One of the blessings of this forum is it?s diversity. If, two years ago, you had told me that I could discuss my collecting interests on a daily basis with so many knowledgeable people at these levels, I could not have believed it.

There is, however, a flaw which must be kept in mind. We are constrained to using English as the common language; and for some members, this presents various challenges which must always been kept in mind. I might add that cultural and even political differences should be considered as well. Ed, we have seen some real messes in the Soviet links because because of this, haven?t we?

In this case, I see an honest misunderstanding which hopefully can be reconciled.

Wild Card

Yes, misunderstandings. And thanks to everybody for assistance.

I think it's just all about value etc...

Anyway I appreciate it.

Kind regards,

Jacky

Nope, has nothing to do with value. But I will do more research and when this is done I will unveil the complete biografie from this man.

ah... Now I'm interested....

Tell me everything you know about this man....

If you please of course

Kind regards,

Jacky

PM sent.

Thanks for all the assistance, I got the name.

I tried myself looking for Kammerherren in Darmstadt at HADIS, but did not find anything which could be related to the bar....so that leaves the Court and State books

Many thanks, I will go to the archive in Darmstadt and hope to find out more there!

Then check the name of the family at www.hadis.hessen.de and mayb you find a Kammerherr with that name

No chance to get name from the auctioneer!

I THINK with a Hessen court and state handbook will be a good chance.

Ernestinian knight 1st class means at least a Captains / Majors level civilian Beamter.

Hessen War time Medal (given to all ranks) plus the Jubillee plus a Hessen long service and NOHessen order makes me think he might have a Hessen Philipp as Officers pinback or Commander.

Best regards

Daniel

Makes sense! At the same auction a Phillis order commanders set 2nd class, a Hesse Brabant order commanders set 2nd class and a Hesse key for Kammerherren were offered. And all the items came from one familiy, so all the stuff might have belonged to the owner of my medal bar.

It looks gold to me too, though my eyes are a year older as of Monday.

The only issue I have with ID'ing it as a major off the retired list is the lack of a long service and a Centenary Medal. And, if a Badener, a Bronze 1902 Jubilee Medal. But perhaps the wearer eschewed "mere" service and commemoratives.

My inclination, though mere guess, was that the RAO and KO might be civilian long and faithful service awards, and the person was acting in some sort of wartime capacity that was major-equivalent in earning the ZLO with swords. That might explain the lack of a military DA and Centenary.

All 2nd classes had golden swords, a golden back medaillon ring and golden lion! And the backside of the crossarms do not look like gold. Thats why I thought it is a 2nd class but it is hard to say from a picture.

No chance to identify the owner??

The first and last medal are wartime and will not help with the ID. The middle three should make it possible to ID. What is the middle medal for? It is a beautifull bar. Great find.

The middle medal was given to all guests and officers in charge at the wedding ceremony of the Duke of Hesse-Darmstadt Febr. 18th 1905. I would guess that a maximum of 200 - 300 was awarded.

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Gentlemen:

I would apprecciate any information about the attached medal bar which I was able to buy last weekend in a small German antique auction. The medals:

1. Hesse-Darmstadt, Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen 1894 - 1918 "F?r Kriegsverdienst", real silver, awarded until 1917

2. Hesse-Darmstadt, Dienstehrenzeichen f?r h?here Hofchargen f?r 25 Dienstjahre in Gold, awarded 1897 - 1918

3. Hesse-Darmstadt, Hochzeitserinnerungsmedaille 1905

4. Saxon Dutchies, Ernestinischer Hausorden, Ritterkreuz 1. Klasse, solid gold

5. Hesse-Darmstadt, Ehrenzeichen f?r Kriegsf?rsorge, awarded 1915 - 1918. This medal is not affixed to the medal bar.

My questions:

-Is there any information, how many awards of # 2 were made and who got these?

-Is there a chance to trace the medal bar and find out the person?

Thank you!

Perhaps an old Major put on retired list at beginning of WWI. As I recall, Baden tended to put swords on war time awards regardless of combat status. Let's call that a starting guess at any rate.

The book of Erhard Roth about Baden awards in WW1 is listing 2nd and 1st Lieutenants only as recipients of the knight's cross 2nd class with swords. Most probably the owner of the medal bar was an Army reserve Lieutenant. A very nice bar!