The Station Cat

This is interesting as it doesn't have a number on the lid? 

Thanks Dave, judging by the fact that he appears to have only had a Defence Medal for his WW2 service. I would assume that he's not the Anglesey one, couple this with the fact that if he joined up in 1939, E11R would have been the effigy on his LSGC. As all the Caernarfonshire appear to have middle names, which doesn't appear on his medal, I would assume that he must be the J HUGHES (no first name given)?  

Robin/Dave, thanks for your replies to my thread. I can confirm that the box does relate to a regular officer.

I'm assuming that PC HUGHES must have joined in the late 1930's, in order to qualify for his LSGC between 1950 and 1952, Gwynedd Constabulary wasn't formed until 1950 and E11R became Queen in 1953.

This is the numbering I mean...............

Can anyone tell me whether the number of the box lid of a Police LSGC equates to anything? Is it possible to ascertain from this number any information as to where the officer was stationed or does the number just equate to a particular force? 

Is there a roll for Defence Medals to issued to Police Officers?

Can anyone tell me whether it's possible to ascertain an address where this medal was sent, which might confirm which part of the force an officer served in? 

On 6/21/2016 at 00:24, bigjarofwasps said:

Here is an example of a  RHINGYLL (Sgt), you will note that the style of naming was stamp engraved as apposed to laser engraved. Which would suggest that this example was issued sometime ago? So it would appear that perhaps Welsh named medals have in fact been around for sometime..... 

I wonder what the highest Welsh rank naming could be, that someone has achieved in 20 years before being awarded the LSGC. Has anyone ever got to Chief in 20 years? I don't think I've ever seen higher than Superintendent on an English LSGC. 

2 hours ago, paul wood said:

Start that and the Scottish Police in the western Isles will want it in Gaelic, the Cornish Constabulary in Cornish  and the Isle of Man Police in Manx.

Paul

That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing would it? Although why on earth they couldn't just put the force after the name is beyond me!!!!!

1 hour ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

They certainly do. I administered the issue of the Golden Jubilee medals to the force I was serving with at the time (Port of Dover Police). The completed nominal role with signatures in receipt alongside was forwarded to the Secretary of State for Transport who I understand transmitted them, together with those from the other Port Police Forces, the BTP and the Mersey Tunnels Police to the National Archives.  Whether the National Archives have produced one complete list or simply retained the lists submitted by each force, I know not. 

Dave.

Thanks Dave. I wonder how long it'll be before they can be viewed by the public?

Curious to know whether medal rolls for the 2002 & 2012 exist? 

On 4/23/2016 at 08:13, Odin Mk 3 said:

In general all strikers medals have a premium, irrespective of division.  One could argue that N Div are worth less as there may be more of them!

What's a reasonable amount for a 1911 Coronation medal to a striker, do you think? 

12 hours ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

It depends upon the force. Some have excellent records others none at all.

Dave.

Sorry, should have stated. The chap I'm looking at was from the Met. 

Just out of curiosity what potential is there for researching a WW2 War reserve officer? I know he joined in about 1905 and was pensioned off in 1935 and that he served as a war reserve officer. What's the chances of being able to research his WW2 service, such as which division he was attached to or the like?

Focusing on the Metropolitan Police - By all accounts the 1919 strike was a disaster, but which one was worse as regards to officers being sacked the 1918 strike or the 1919 one? 

8 hours ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

In addition to the book you mention, there is another dealing primarily with Liverpool City Police, "Police Strike 1919" by A.V. Sellwood. There were 955 Liverpool strikers dismissed.

Dave.

 

955!!!!! I had no idea!!!!

Which other forces were involved?

What about this chap, appears to be entitled to a WW2 Defence Medal, 1953 Coronation Medal and a GV1R LSGC -   Sergt Alexander Macdonald

Is there a roll for all the Officers dismissed after this strike?

Did they have their medals revoked? 

18 hours ago, MetPolice said:

See the attached for the Home Office view

Zeb

Knew I couldn't have been the only person to have thought of this concept. Delighted to see that you've already written a letter. Perhaps we should set up a Government Petition?

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check

19 hours ago, Odin Mk 3 said:

I think this is a problem for many medal issues.  Any police officer who retired in May 1951 (a month before the Police LS was instituted) would not get a medal. 

Good luck to Mr Donaldson but I think he won't be successful with his petition.  The thing is with all these issues if you open the flood gates just how far do you go back - to June 1951!

 

 

How gutted would you be if you retired in May 1951!!! I still find it intriguing that it wasn't until 1951 that the concept of a Police LSGC was implemented!!  

I agree that Mr Donaldson will be disappointed, the very number of signatures on his petition speaks volumes.

What are peoples views on a  bar/clasp concept for the Police LSGC, is it a viable option? Maybe not now, but at some point in the future when if becomes a more regular occurrence? 

On 10/1/2010 at 00:13, pikemedals said:

hi all, does any one has a copy of the 1911 police coronation medal roll for the county and borough police forces.

On 10/8/2010 at 17:57, Odin Mk 3 said:

I don't believe there is an actual centrally held roll for the C&B issue 1911 Coronation Medals.

 

The naming of the medals appears to have been handled by the Met Police and they were invoiced for the naming of their own medals, the City of London Police, the London Fire Brigade and some other groups. However this did not include the County and Borough Issues which were sent out to the various forces unnamed, probably because there were such a lot of different forces around at that time and the medals were merely allocated to them on a quota basis (they got more medals if they actually sent officers to take part in the coronation celebrations). Those C&B medals found named must have either been done by the individual forces before they issued them or alternatively the recipient had his medal privately named.

 

The naming of each medal cost 5d in real money (equates to 48 medals for £1 for those born after 1970s) and was done through a Mr Gillett who took over a year to name up all the medals issued officially named. That is why the style of Fire Brigade, SJAB, City of London and Met medals all look identical.

 

That was a good find on e-Bay.

Pike, I was just about to ask the same question myself.

Found this which might be of interest...

http://www.gloucestershirepolicemuseum.co.uk/page_2346448.html

Special Constabulary Medal and bars.

Army LSGC with bar.

Given the latest increase to the police service length, which will see Officers instead of retiring at their 30 year point, will now be working until their 60. This could well see Officers serving over 40 years before they retire. Double the amount of service required to qualify for their LSGC, perhaps consideration should be given to the possibility of adding a bar at the 40 year point, along the same lines as that of the military LSGC or indeed the Special Constabulary LSGC. 

2 hours ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

Attached is an example from my collection.

Dave.

Oh yes, that's far superior!!!!! 

12 hours ago, Dave Wilkinson said:

This looks very much like a very dodgy copy!

Dave.

Now you come to mention it, it does look rather naff doesn't it. But it's the only one I've been able to find. Which given the allure of H Division, you'd have thought there would have been more examples out there?