Here are pics of the EKs I mention in my earlier post reguarding a pin repair. I also have included a picture of a 1939 spange? I (I think that is what they are called). I'm wondering if the spange is original or not. It came with the WW1 cross and the cross is beyond a doubt original. The EKII is also original with maker mark 25 stamped on the ring. The packet I'm not to sure about, I feel it's a repro. The EKII and packet were given to me along with the EKI missing it's pin and hook. My wife purchased The EK II and packet from a well known dealer who claims the cross and packet came from a soldiers estate. Quoted below is what was in the dealers discription of the iron cross 2nd class and packet. The EK I missing it's pin she purchased from someone else. The 1939 "spange", I have had for many years, but have not come across one with the clasp this one has on it. The back is hallmarked with a "800". The pictures of the medals are a litle dark and shadowy. I usually take pictures in the direct sunlight, but today that is not possible. "We now offer a true collector's piece. This 1939 German Iron Cross second class maker marked # 25 with ribbon and award packet !! The iron cross is three part construction having two silver frames and solid iron magnetic black core. Both frames and core are graded X fine to near mint in condition. The ribbon is correct 1939 issue and came with the EK2 in the paper award packet. The maker number 25 was issued by the Ldo in 1941 to the manufacturing firm of AREITSGEMEINSCHAFT der GRAVEUR, Hanau, GERMANY. Under the strict guidlines as ordered by Adold Hitler. The # 25 is a very rare maker number. The ribbon and the packet and Iron Cross come direct from Dresden, Germany as found at the estate auction of Carl Ludwig Honniger. Honninger served in the German Wehrmacht from 1940 until 1945. He won his Iron Cross second class and Osten-Front the medal in Russian in 1943. " My wife would not tell me the price she paid for it so I do not know. Any opinions about these medals is very much welcomed. I collect WW2 german militaria of all sorts so I do not claim to be a expert in collecting the Iron Cross.