IJSBEER

On 27/01/2019 at 00:05, IJSBEER said:

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   Is this a real 5. U-Flottille badge? Or perhaps merely aged? The badge itself 

   is copper so I think it is real, but do modern hoaxers shy away from the real?

Despite the fact that I myself posted it, this badge is probably a faked one, dropped in acid or whatever witch's brew to make it look old. Self-correcting asshole, moi. Et Vous, Es-Tu Normal?

On 18/11/2011 at 21:42, Peter BL said:

And finally the Emblem for U-3024 (not the 1st U-Flott )

I think that this (!) pinguin is not the emblem for the Elektroboot U-3024. I know of a U-3024 booklet out there with a sketch of the emblem of this U-boot and it looks kinda like this but actually more like Georg Hogel's depiction of it on page 180 of "U-Boat emblems..." than the one below. Hogel's book only says that the conning tower emblem had a blue background. The cap emblem, as compared to the conning tower, often does not feature these elaborate details. I recently obtained a badge online that might shed new light on the matter. It looks authentic to me, but then again, I could also have been another sucker lead to believe...For only 150 euro's I don't think I was sold a Pig in a Poke, but who knows. 

On 26/01/2019 at 23:07, IJSBEER said:

I take back whatever I said about those French insignia. I found out rather late that certain crew on U-107 wore a both bronze and enameled "Bretagne" coat of arms badge on their caps in addition to the usual four aces emblem. KK Hessler's stuff, I believe it was, recently came up for sale partially and in sat this most wonderful oxidized bronze badge (see attached pictures). Lorient, where the U-107 was stationed, is a city in Bretagne, France,  and surely the crew must have grown attached to hat place somewhat as it was basically their third home (taken the U-boat second). In that context I think it not unlikely that other u-boat crew adopted similar French coat of arms. Btw, I am craving U-107 original photographs. If you can't sell them, then at least post them.

 

mistaking is my middle name.  Or is it?

8 hours ago, bolewts58 said:

This seems to be Third Reich, not Imperial German. So, why is it posted here?

Because sometimes people make miss-takes.

This is obviously a handgefertigt cap badge. I isolated the image from the overseas cap it is attached to. 5th flotilla seems to have been some schizophrenic Flotilla where it concerns its emblems - there's among others known a red seahorse on a green background, which I will try to show tomorrow.

On 17/09/2019 at 21:14, 2dresq said:

I really hope you are getting these at reproduction prices.  These badges are highly faked because many were onboard production using metal like brass or tin, crudely made in most cases.   Without provenance, you will never likely recoup your costs if you are paying what some of these items might be worth.   The stone cup is pure fantasy IMHO. The pin has so much detailing.  I feel that someone onboard would never have had the time to keep the mustache and cut out the space between shoulder and mustache, or that this detail would have survived being worn on a cap without snapping off.  The Georg Hogel book made it great for anyone with a rough idea of metal works to attempt to create castings of these awards.   Please be very careful with these emblem/wappen.

Best Regards,

JustinG

These two pieces were sold as post-war commemorative items  indeed -  quite the observation, sir. But I disagree with you, however,  that original cap badges (etc.) are necessarily without "too much detailing". A lot of original cap badges/plaques etc. carry an amazing degree of detail and craftsmanship in them, sometimes even more than Hogel's book could display (this is how you/one may tell an original from a fake). But no, on the contrary!  It was, in general, actually very "un-german" not to pay much attention to meticulous detailing (a lot of well crafted enamel badges were ordered by the Kriegsmarine ) - all in sheer contrast to the American mariners, who are said to have lacked (of were forbidden to stoop to) that kind of vain and childish fetish for decorum. I am not buying Ukranian metal cups with Kriegsmarine stamps on them on Ebay. But this stuff no doubt once belonged to an ex-crew of the U-393. I don't see why anyone would produce this to make a $40 profit. History didn't stop when the last U-boat was scuttled, is all I mean. Btw, you say they are 'highly faked', but I've never run into any other u-393 stuff before that was not somehow a rare object. 

On 23/09/2019 at 04:44, Erik Krogh said:

Minesweeper plaque. It is 21 cm tall.

Here is a photo from my collection with the U-Schule plaque mounted on the conningtower of a training boat.

Thanks Eric for this picture. Had no idea of its existence but I have 2 somewhat similar pictures - one  displaying probably U-2,  with, I was told,  Rolf Dau (U-5), and perhaps the captain of U-2. Would be  nice to learn more about Neustadt U-Schule - not well documented. 

Could you tell me how a wooden plaque could withstand the water? I reckon that Neustadt was a fresh water basin for training purposes and never trained in salt water, but still, wood and water still do not match in my dumb mind.

On 28/07/2019 at 19:20, Erik Krogh said:

Thanks for the information on the traditions design for U-3003/U-3013! Here is a U-653 plaque I obtained from Funkmeister Kupfermann's estate.

 

Is this plaque "post-war" or "at-war"? I have similar plaques but I have to admit that this one is looking slightly more entertaining than mine.

If you ever grow tired of it, you'll know the right buyer.

I Bought this small U-393 group online. I know there was similar stuff of this U-boat for sale recently. Perhaps someone here can relate to that.

On 28/06/2019 at 03:57, NOR_collector said:

Hi.

I got this U-968 cap badge from Thomas Huss not long ago.
Does anyone have any pictures of this type of badge is use?
What is your opinion on the badge?

Thanks
Regards,
André

How much did you pay for it? Please, first answer this question, before reading below.

When  I say that it "looks pretty authentic"  it will always comes with a reserve for when it comes to non-enameled badges one should always be prepared to realize that one is dealing with fakes. I for one would  buy yours for 500 Euro as it is, but an enameled badge (harder to fake and easier to recognize as a fake)  I would easily pay 1250,- for. These are the prices you will have to pay for cap badges of ww2 u-boat crews. I only do pay 1250 Euro's for the ones I believe are genuinely real.  This is why conning tower pictures are doing so well on E-bay these days: surplus evidence.

On 08/04/2019 at 03:21, Bayern said:

Hello, Maschinen Buro , Perhaps ? roughly translated Machine Room , or Maschinisten Buro, that is Machinists Office

Thank you kindly, Bayern, for your suggestion. Your explanation is exactly what I had in mind back then, and that would make it a somewhat sarcastic and ironic clownish badge, with the emphasize on "Buro" inside a U-boot. I mean, having a privileged working space inside a U-boot, right? I have not seen any .23 Flottille article prior, nor after I obtained this object. Thanks for your call.

I have no doubt as to the  WW2 authenticity of this 2.5 inch badge, yet I wonder how cap ornaments like this (i.e. without boreholes) were actually worn in daily practice? Also, could someone please fill me in on the true meaning of the abbreviation of "Masch. Büro". My gut instinct tells me that this very device once belonged to a U-boat machinist on board of a submarine belonging to the 23rd flotilla. I've no bloody clue...

Thank you Morten. I was wrongfully assuming that this black and white picture was from your current u-boot collection. I am truly sorry for that huge mistake, my bad, and please do not think less of me. If someone has additional "ubootschule" stuff to display, don't hesitate to upload it. 

Another thing worth noticing to all people interested in Kriegsmarine U-boot tradition badges: do not ever buy stuff from seller lowe08155 on (German) E-bay. I experienced that this "gentleman" is selling merely reproductions: 

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Mutzenabzeichen-Turmabzeichen-U-Boote-von-U-370/273746046615?hash=item3fbc892e97:g:uZoAAOSw-JtcfsQ9

https://uboat.net/special/emblems/emblem329.html

https://uboat.net/special/emblems/emblem330.htmly

Please do post the cap badges and plaques that you think are authentic, so we might all benefit from it in the future. There should be a death penalty on selling fake stuff on internet, or something that resembles it close enough. I'm no lawyer but this bitch should be hung on general principle. This is serious money spoiled.

21 hours ago, nesredep said:

For You!

Lol! Was merely demonstrating that I found the answer to me own question. Could you, if not too much to ask, show yours in color, nesredep?

This mint green thing is an original cap badge to U-172. It seems as if it deviates from the usual portrayal of this emblem. This, however, is a genuine logo, as the "schirmmütze" proves. Contrary to popular believe, the deity blowing that horn isn't Poseidon/Neptune but instead is TRITON.  I will pay over $250 for an original picture of u-172... when it rocks my moneymaker.

The true colors to the "Unterseebootschule", first the postwar one:

The "orange on blue" arrow is the icon generally associated with U-boat school - and used on its nazi stationary. The lower two plaques are for sale for 2000 euros total so they better have the right color! : )

On 12/02/2019 at 01:03, 2dresq said:

Greetings,  Well, as a commemorative piece, I would not believe so.  The removal of the swastika would have been most likely done for this, especially if this was going to be a "reunion piece".  I have yet to see a plastic casting on a piece of wood.  Most of the ones I have are cast from wood, ceramic or metallic.   The links and google searches showed a great history as well as from a commemorative/memorial page for the USS Frost, the ship credited with the sinking of U-490. 

 

 

Much appreciated your honest input there, Justin. I am sure it is plastic, since I truly think it isn't bakelite. I hadn't preciously come across vibrant colors like this used in ww2 pieces so let's just assume its post-war. But why would there be made only one? Who in his right mind would fake this and why would this same piece consequently show up on two websites concerning this topic? If you behold the black and white pictures, it is the same plastic piece. I care about the value that it represents but more so I'm interested in the true colors that it once had on its conning tower. George Hogel sometimes was completely bewildered when it came to these colors and I guess we have quite some left to be filled in.

On 10/02/2019 at 00:11, nesredep said:

Hi,

 

Here is a photo from my Collection!

 

Cheers,Morten.

That U-Schule (unterseebootschule) plaque, could you show it in true color, please?

Found this one a militaria website not long ago, but they were puzzled as to which u-boat(s) it belonged to. I reckon that the upper part of this tradition badge made them overlook the lower part, which actually does appear in Georg Högel's U-Boat Emblems in World War II.

In terms of warfare action these boat aren't that appealing, but nonetheless they were u-boots of ww2. It has no provenance going for it at all, I do agree, but my instinct says it's the real McCoy. I would like to know more about it, so please come forward if you have more info on this boat, or any other mentioned above. What do you think? Is this the same whale emblem, albeit shaped somewhat naïve? I for one have no doubt about it, but I am sincerely biased. ?Show your KM Cap Badges!

I wonder if the guy with the cap is modelled after the man in the following video:

 Second 32...you will see the silhouette of the guy. This can hardly be coincidence but maybe it is. Their noses are practically the same. The drawing is from Gastebuch/Guestbook of the 4. U-Flottille. The colored badge is mine.

Recently acquired this commemorative plaque (post-war but seemingly unique), formerly owned by one of the former crew of the U-490 (one of the 10 Milchkuhe/Milk Cow U-boats), now passed away, yet passed on to the German seller indirectly from which I bought it. It is plastic on wood, but it is the same one as shown in the URL's below mentioned I fairly reckon:

https://uboot-recherche.de/media/Default/Uploaded/bootsbilder/U490.pdf

https://www.google.com/search?q=U-490&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT_dOAx6_gAhVKYVAKHUYmDkcQ_AUIESgE&biw=1164&bih=496#imgrc=Y7d4H0oSs5LjKM:

Georg Högel's U-boat Emblems of World War II 1939-1945 doesn't show any colors so probably these are the true colors, albeit less fluorescent in them days of old.

I have noticed around some modern cloth patch of this emblem on Ebay but without the swastika among other things. That is all I could find on it. Would be nice to know if there are people here who can tell me more about this U-boot.

Much obliged,

IJS

U-584

if you have complementary pictures/paraphernalia regarding this u-boat, please do come forward. Share it with us.

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   Is this a real 5. U-Flottille badge? Or perhaps merely aged? The badge itself 

   is copper so I think it is real, but do modern hoaxers shy away from the real?